@crimsonclad: Yeah, that's a doozy. Um, yeah, I think we're doing okay. We're doing okay for time because there's normally first Monday of the month is the core dev meeting where we kind of get as many of our core developers and really technical people together to do a live stream meeting for that.
But we we did cancel it today because a bunch of us are here. So yeah, we're gonna have to, we're gonna have to talk about timing. But, um, you know, that's a doozy of a question, and it's one of those things where going back to our very first town halls very, very early six years ago or whatever, um, I have this thing that I haven't been able to do for a long time, and it's, it's, I clap for emphasis, and I'll tell you the easiest way to handle this when you need to speak your mind.
Kindness costs nothing.
You can say whatever you want, and we encourage you to do that here. Just think about how you frame it. It's as simple as that. You know, I think Hivefest and in person gatherings are the most perfect example. I can think of people who on chain, I really don't get along with, or I don't agree with, and I don't like.
And we've never really had a bad run in. But these are people who, you know, if you asked me, uh, no thank you, that's fine, I'll pass. Then, you meet them in person and you realize, nope, you are reading what's on chain with your own personal bias. And this is something that is so difficult for humans, this is not a hive thing, this is not a blockchain thing. This is a human thing. And one of the things I like to say about Hive a lot is it's a human blockchain. It's human tech built by humans for humans, and then we human all over it. So, you know, there are some very real concerns about, oh, no, somebody is going to be really mad at me if I say something or somebody is going to downvote me.
And one of the hardest shifts to make in our space is thinking about the way that you read and the way that you write, in that we do still On-chain, commit things to text and it can be a little tricky because you're really always going to have an opinion in your head and when you read somebody else's words, you're going to kind of overlay that opinion on it.
And so often you'll find a lot of the exchanges that feel like they're getting heated or things that kind of spiral when they shouldn't are because people are projecting that worry onto the conversation. So my best advice to you to start is simply always just assume the other person isn't trying to personally hurt your feelings.
Um, and that's a really hard thing. All, all of life, that's good advice. And it's hard to do. I'm bad at it also. I will say, you're going to have some opinions that people don't like. You are going to have beef with other people. That is inevitable in a space where humans gather and especially in a space where humans are trying to come to consensus on anything, whether it's technological or not.
When you add Distribution and rewards to the sort of mix. It gets a little messier yet. So there's, there's two things that I can say to you. And the first one I have, which is, you know, do your very best to just assume that somebody is not coming for you. They will probably really make it clear if they are.
And I know because I get a lot of those messages. But the other thing is, remember that this blockchain doesn't force you to be nice people are always worried about down votes, and I think I think that's fair But only to a degree, because at the end of the day, as much as it does hurt, and, and everybody goes, Oh, well you're a big account, so downvotes don't hurt you.
But as much as it does hurt to think there is a positive visual form of feedback to you that was not, you know, not encouraging. A downvote, a flag, looks and feels bad. It feels bad to us as people. But it also... It doesn't stop you in any way, and in most cases, most cases, downvotes are often one offs because somebody doesn't agree with your saying, and they are not huge.
The second that you sort of kind of brace yourself and get over the fact that you're going to get a downvote at some point on this chain, you kind of gain a superpower. And you start realizing that it's okay, because no one can stop me from saying this opinion. And it gives you a chance to kind of reflect, how, how important is this opinion to me?
And, you know, if I'm worried about getting downvoted for it, should I be talking to other people? Should I find more people who also hold this opinion? You know, am I so far out to lunch? Is this something that we just, not enough people right now are thinking about? So, I'm not suggesting that you all go out and yell at each other and get, you know, downvoted into oblivion.
But there's two ways to take it. You can only control yourself, which means how you speak to other people and how you frame your arguments, but also how you read what other people are saying. Everyone here is passionate about this blockchain and about some topic, which gets them a little riled up. Um, but the biggest thing that I kind of want to help people dispel is, there's a chance you're going to get a downvote out there.
I don't think that it's worth it, in most cases, to silence yourself based on that. And, you know, the flip side is, is everybody goes, well, a whale will rocket me into the ground and destroy me. Take a look around the chain. And take a look around sort of how many accounts that's actually happened to and then look at sort of the conversation that's happening that's led them there and you'll see.
Usually the few places that this does happen, it's because people are incredibly heated, incredibly, um, there are interactions that in the real world, if we're happening face to face, would be incredibly problematic, and even then, you are still able to go read those conversations because are not removed from the blockchain.
Their opinions are not removed, but you can come to that consensus as a group of do I want this around me or not? Um, so I mean, this will never be an easy topic. There's no way around it, but I think in a lot of cases we do so much internal worrying and internal projecting of our fears and our concerns and our insecurities that this is another space for communities to kind of come together.
You know, if you're a little worried about your opinion or you're really Scared of seeing something one of the best things that you can do in real life and on the blockchain is Asking your friends and a few people in the wider community that you, you know, you touch upon because it turns out the more that you speak to other people, the more you're going to understand your own opinion.
And you're either going to build up support behind it, or you may change your mind a little bit. But I think that comes back to what's really good about the social feedback on Hive and where communities are going to come into play for people to feel more comfortable expressing their opinions.
@moderator: And I do think that the key takeaway, I mean, not that everything that you said wasn't important, but the key takeaway here is that 90 percent of the replies or the response that you will get depends on how you frame it and how you proceed in talking about the topic.
@crimsonclad: It's a skill. It's a skill that you always got to work on. It's, uh, that's not a hive thing specifically.
@moderator: Yes. Thanks, Karim, for that take. Um, I do want to get back to the communities, uh, side of things and how. How that's one of the main foundations that we we've had for seven years, but that it's going to take a bigger role in the future, and Khal, I know that you are a big proponent. Of, of communities as a, as an influence, um, core and how they can change how Hive works. Do you want to add to that conversation?
@khaleelkazi: Yeah, I think, um, you know, kind of echoing on, on what Crim said, if you have conversations with people, it really can change your perspective.
I saw that firsthand when I went to Hive Fest last week, um, and met a lot of you guys for the first time. Um, so when you look at that from the community layer, getting involved in the community is, is really what changed my perspective on this blockchain and got me more involved in the legacy chain, uh, and everything we used to do there.
I found different little pockets of, of people that kind of talked about the same thing and obviously back then we were kind of. Conform to just long form, you know, writing blog posts and commenting on each other's blog posts, but even back then there were creative ways to kind of get involved with each other.
You know, we would ping each other on each other's comment sections and stuff like that. But nowadays we have these like really powerful community features. Whether you look at, you know, peakD's UI or ecency or Leo's UI, there's tons of ways to see the different communities and, and join them and create content in them and overall put your name out there.
I think that's a huge way to. Also lead into governance, because, you know, when you start building out your network and you get familiar with different people, you start to kind of not necessarily just adopt their views, but actually just think about their views and, you know, learn from them and see what they have to say about different witnesses, um, see what they have to say about different proposals.
I think the community, the hive mind or the, the brain power behind the community, uh, is a really important thing to tap into, and I think communities themselves, you know, the, the individualized communities are a great way to kind of organize people around different ideas, uh, and, and then drive those into government governance decisions.
@moderator:Right on. And for those who are, who are listening and you want to chip in the conversation, just ask to speak. This is not a closed space. Anyone can speak. The town hall is supposed to be where anyone, no matter who you are, you can just have your takes if you don't feel comfortable with voice remember we have a thread cast where you can just add whatever.
And we, we will start reading them. There's 420 comments already, but we will go through them. Uh, Leo finance will, we'll vote some of it will curate some of the good ones. Uh, probably some of the. Of the, of the speakers will do as well. I was going to say taskmaster is pretty, pretty silent. Uh, he's got us very used to having a lot of takes on things, but nifty, do you want to come in?
@l337m45732: Yeah, I just wanted to say, you know, if you, if you have something to say, even if you don't like, you know, if you're not tech savvy or don't quite know how things work, speak up. You know, we're all, we're all part of the same family here. We're all headed towards the same direction. We all want the best for this ecosystem.
And it's better for you to not stay silent, speak, you know, uh, put your hand up, ask a question if you don't know how something works, someone in the community does just ask. No one's going to judge you. No one's going to, you know, make you feel uncomfortable if you just want to speak on anything. So, just wanted to put that out there.
@taskmaster4450: One thing I wanted to add about Cal, and I'll get a little bit, uh, futuristic here if I can for a second. Uh, communities are, are important because I believe... This is a precursor in the future to DAOs. We are going to see a lot of the communities that are forming over time will evolve into DAOs as different facets of technology are integrated.
We know that, generative AI is starting to take off. We know there's different things and being centralized with regulators and government agencies isn't a great thing. So, Puts a target on your chest. So there's a variety of reasons and factors feeding into this, but when we start to look at where things can be in five, seven, 10 years, uh, it's going to be a vastly different world technologically, and this is really paving away and to a certain degree, you can make a case and I think it would be a valid case that that hive itself is a DAO and your stake, your governance vote, even though it's human, it does release automated features. It releases, you know, the payouts of the reward pool. It releases, uh, you know, and updates the witness voting to the moment.
It releases funding from the DHF. And we may over time see more of that, whether it be at the base layer or whether it be with these layer two side chains and things that are being created there. You know, eventually we're going to have smart contracts. It could be related to NFTs. I mean, we don't know where all of this is going to go, but that's the direction things are headed in.
And so it's important to get some of these basic fundamental habits, if you will, ingrained in us to look at the DHF, uh, proposals occasionally to look and review your witness votes occasionally to make sure you are staking as much as you can, comfortably. So you are growing your influence on chain, especially if you are building something.
And also as a community. That like Manu was talking about with Hive Cuba as a community or the WOO community or the Leo community or the basket weaving community, the photography community, it doesn't matter what community. That those communities can be represented and it all comes back to that simple premise.
What stake are we collectively voting with and what impact is it going to have? And the final thing I'd say before I'll mute myself again is for those who don't think their vote matters that there isn't a lot, Oh, I don't have much HP.
Well, first off, as we witnessed with the Justin Sun situation.
Even though Justin Sun prevailed in the end, a lot of small token holders united, they voted with the community, and their collective stake did make a difference. So that's the first thing. So do not overlook that. The second thing, Always keep in mind, it's a percentage basis of the total. So if you have 100 HP and you go to 200 HP, you say, well, that's only 100 HP.
But your influence individually just doubled. And if you go from 100 HP to 400 HP, you just 4x your influence. You are not going to see an account, I don't know who the largest account holders, let's say blocktrades, blocktrades is not going to double his stake. I mean, to go from whatever he's at to double, it's not going to happen.
So always keep that in mind. So even if you're at 25 HP. Get yourself to 50 HP, then 100, then 200, then 400. Try to keep working up the scale, because it does have an impact, especially if you start to get into a newer community, like a Hive Cuba or something like that, where all of a sudden, hey, I can make a difference over here.
@bookerman (WOO): I just wanted to kind of kind of add in a little bit what Taskmaster was saying about, uh, increasing hive power, increasing your voting stake. There's many different ways you can increase it. One way that we have, increased our influence on Hive. Is we offered HP delegation rewards.
So if you, uh, delegate your HP to wrestling organization online and we could use that HP to curate our community and, and, and give back rewards to our community, we gave you some woo token. We're still actually offering this. But by doing that, we've increased our hive power to just under 200,000.
I want to say we only hav about 10,000 hive power staked, and there's about 180,000 delegated. And using that proxy votes, there's many different ways that you can increase your influence, increase your distribution, and have a bigger say, and the nice thing is about Hive is I'm not a developer.
I just had a developer meeting, during this Twitter space, too. Uh, but I, half the stuff, I, I don't know what that's all about. I'm, I am a, more of, in a leadership role. I, I come from film and television, uh, and, and film production. So I'm more in working with people to make something, bringing their talents in and creating something cool.
And we've been lucky enough to do that. And we've been able to do that by using tools, uh, that are available, uh, through some of the great developers like yeah, but Matt, even Aggie, and his Hive Engine and, and Tribal Decks, and allowing, uh, new projects to enter the space and not be intimidated.
Because the big thing is, like, when you're, when you're a new project, and you're trying to get into Web 3, and you're not a developer, it's, it's, the door is closed to you in most places. You either need a big hose of money, or you need to be a developer. And Hive was not closed off to us. We were able to build our community, talk about wrestling, talk about our partnered wrestlers, build that up.
We were able to release assets, tokens, NFTs, have a marketplace, all for very, very cheaply. It was, it was so beneficial for us as a, as a startup, uh, to start on Hive. I would tell anyone that was starting a new quality project that actually solved a problem, I would tell them to build on Hive. I would hands down tell them to build on Hive because you can build a community and you can find people that fit in your community from other people's communities.
For example Pizza Guild. I saw them in here earlier today. Uh, having them... Uh, be a part of, of Woo from the beginning was huge. Uh, it allowed us a bunch of users that now know about our project that like wrestling and want to talk about wrestling.
And that expands over the broad Hive community.
And so you can, you can find your niche here. You can build here. You can do it way cheaper than you can do it on other chains. You can find quality developers because we do have many quality developers. Um, there's so many that are here right now. Uh, but there's so many that are just in the back end, just coding away.
Uh, and as you guys were saying earlier, sometimes they don't have the presence because they're not making a bunch of posts, but they're constantly building on hive. That was just my two cents. I really do love hive. I, I am super, uh, uh, pro hive. I think it's the best chain to start a project on hands down.
And the love that you get from the broader community isn't found anywhere else. That's, that's all I had to say.
@moderator: A hundred percent. And I'm going to start reading out loud some of the questions, uh, on the threadcast. If anyone who's a speaker wants to respond to them, just raise your hand. I'm just gonna go with the first one.
@ura-soul (written): You're solely saying it is well known in marketing psychology that the fear of losing something is far more of a significant impactor that it is the excitement of gaining something. Downvoting was originally only for policy of, of relatively extreme content.
@moderator:I like this, this, uh, this take because 1 thing that we didn't mention, but that it's definitely something that can happen if you don't feel comfortable being vocal about something that you don't like about governance, witnesses, DHF, whatever.
You can always talk to your most trusted witness or, or to someone who aligns with your, with, with the way you think. And you can just tell them, Hey, I noticed this. You as a witness, you are a top 40 witness, you're a top 20 witness. Uh, I don't feel comfortable speaking out. Can you do it for me? And that's what witnesses are.
Part of the responsibility of witnesses is being the voice of the small users. So just reach out to one of these witnesses and tell them, Hey, I feel like this. Can you be vocal about it? And then someone will do it for you if you don't feel comfortable.
I see @thelogicaldude is here. Hey man, do you want to add something to the conversation?