How is anyone responding prematurely to a product that has been around for 5 years at this point? I've been here for 4 years and we were getting downvoted back then too.
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How is anyone responding prematurely to a product that has been around for 5 years at this point? I've been here for 4 years and we were getting downvoted back then too.
Like I said, most of these issues will be a mute point in a year from now with the monetisation and community driven censorship tools that are being created atm. These are not being taken into account and so I believe that these points are premature.
We've been hearing various promises and reasons that we should just wait for things to get better, since 2016. At the start of Steem, there were whales using their stake to shut down accounts who annoyed them, creators they disagreed with, etc.
Over the years, there have been waves of high & low, there have been quiet periods and full on flag wars, and all along the way those who challenge the corporate propaganda narrative have been getting downvoted (not for quality, plagiarism, or over-rewarding, but simply for challenging the lies), and that has sky-rocketed since 2020, as more creators and content have been looking for homes that won't censor them like FB, Twatter, etc.
My blog is the perfect example of how they are only down-voting based on their dogmatic ideology - they don't care if I make over $60 a post for my videos, but if I mention the jab or censorship, they 100% DV it, even if it was a much more in-depth research piece, that took me dozens of hours to put together.
Yes. I have been here, working my balls off full time, that whole time. I know the history well. So well, that I’m contributing to making these types of discussions nullified. I’m tired of hive being classed as a censoring system, when I do not believe it is at all. Some of The front ends censor, I agree, but the solution to that is to get ones head down and build solutions IMO.
Would you consider trying to change your thinking away from anything to do with the reward pool? Chasing it creates toxicity and negativity. Once one isolates themselves from any involvement in the garnering of attention or monetary incentive by being rewarded from the pool, It changes the paradigm in which one sees hive.
Hive is the perfect censorship resistant system. It’s better than anything out there, by far. It’s not completed yet, that’s for sure. There are various things being built (partly by me and other amazing hiveans) to leverage it’s censorship resistant capabilities. The rewards pool will become a relatively insignificant piece of the hive eco system over time. Due to community driven content regulation policies and content gateways as well as income streams that do not rely on the rewards pool. Hopefully the main blogging platforms will evolve their trending systems over time too. If they do not, ppl will build their own systems and the free market will fill the gaps.
Oh yeah, I'm definitely down to move the focus of voting, and the PoS elements, away from $$
I've been brainstorming and trying to get going a few projects (whether layer 1 or 2) for quality news distribution (downvotes only for plagiarism, no sources, etc.), Freedom Cells, and various other needs/communities to be covered. I like the idea of voting stake only being earned through receiving votes, and not able to be bought/sold - with a totally separate currency for tipping, buying etc.
While I agree with this at the base code level, that is outweighed by that history, and the Stake that exists (maliciously downvoting those who disagree with them, thus slowing the stake growth of both creators & curators of differing opinions - maintaining their monopoly.)
For it to work, the experiment would have to be re-run, with clear intentions & principles. Trying to change the system from the inside, when the "law" (the code) can be changed any time by those in charge... Sounds familiar.
If you did a Fair launch, across people who all agreed to a much more specific ethos, then we could get somewhere new, very quickly.
Good points. Sounds like u need to fork. I’m going to focus on hive tho. There will be so many other monetisation tools that chasing rewards from the pool will be kind of frowned upon in the future. Using ur external rewards to buy more hive in order to affect governance, well that will be another thing. Platforms and users will of course have to hold hive for resource credits, although even that will radically change with resource credit delegations.
I'm not sure what you are referencing beyond Threespeak, was there something else?
Have you read the SPK network light paper?
There's whitepapers, bluepapers, lightpapers, etc. I've read the gist of it at some point in the past sure. I try not to read too much into anything, prefer to see it when it is finished.
I look forward to it.
There is only a light paper on SPKnetwork. There will probably end up being a white paper as the technicalities of the code are built out.
We look forward to building it. If it goes well, it will change a lot of the grounds for the frustration in this post thread
I meant in general, theres tons of whitepapers/bluepapers/lightpapers out there for tons of projects and I try to read a bunch :) Time constraints! heh