Anyway, that being said this isn't real censorship
Taking down from trending page everything about fake pandemic and fake vaccine is a shadow banning (a form of censorship)
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Anyway, that being said this isn't real censorship
Taking down from trending page everything about fake pandemic and fake vaccine is a shadow banning (a form of censorship)
On that trending note, these posts about the pandemic have been on trending in forever, I'm sure enough people have followed these content creators by now to be able to see them in their feeds or scroll a community related to it or tags. It's absurd how little anyone here cares about them to drop a comment every once in a while, yet we're supposed to let them take a big pie from the rewardspool while they barely give a damn about Hive to at least link back here from their other socials.
Do you want Hive to have 20 posts about covid with 0 engagement on trending constantly? That's a way worse look than people downvoting them (often late after the trending attention has been had) for disagreement of rewards.
I mean at this point I'm starting to find it ridiculous how people are even trying to defend those let alone touch on the censorship subject.
And the fact that the 0 engagement is not exclusive on these posts makes this worse look even more worse. People just/only have to look around. There are many posts with 0 engagement. I often see posts with 1-5 bot comments, but 0 human comments. It is in the statistics that nowadays the average number of comments per posts on the Hive blockchain is 3, but most of those are bot comments. I guess that it is fair to see that the most part of the Hive community is censoring (or soft-shadowbanning) itself by not caring about other people's posts.
And why should people feel bad about not caring for things that fall outside the scope of their interests? Should people be compelled to give a fuck about topics they aren't into just to show others from outside the platform say we got a functional community?
If you attract users that fall under the unpopular opinionated crowd, you're going to get a crowd where the mainstream users won't give a damn about their content because that's not their cup of tea.
The problem is the fact that almost everything "fall outside the scope of their interests". And it is enough to look around a bit to see this. There are many users without any real interaction.
I do not say that. But taking a look at the current state of things, I can say that around 90% of the users cannot create contents, which would be interests others, so we (this platform in general) currently do not really have a functional community. There are a few successful people with plenty of interaction, but that is all.
I don't see it as a problem if there's lack of interaction. Authors need to earn their audience first and if their content doesn't trigger a reaction, then they need to work on a new gimmick. Who are you going to blame? 30 people that passed by your post without saying anything because they had poor taste of content? or yourself because not a single one was convinced you're worth the trouble commenting to. The latter is within my control and it's the battle I picked while most concern themselves with everyone else's fault for not seeing the genius of the post.
This I can fully agree on. Most are just content consumers pretending to be creators. I'm also slacking off from content creation and just do shitposting nowadays.
Exactly, @adamada.
I'm popping in here to add my perspective as a longtime WordPress blogger. I posted for years in relative obscurity (some would say I still do...lol) and it wasn't until I connected with a group of WP bloggers back in 2014 that I started getting comments on my blog, instead of people just hitting the WP "like" button & leaving.
However, that only happened after I went to a bazillion other blogs and left a bazillion thoughtful (not, "nice post") replies to other bloggers.
There are great pockets of engagement here on chain (check out @abh12345 Hive & Leo Engagement League posts to see some of it in action), but as you said - authors need to earn their audience. As communities grow, I think it will make it even easier for new people to connect with others in a relatively short amount of time.
While blockchain blogging is only a small part of our ecosystem, I think it's actually finding an active & engaged community (with upvotes as the cherry on top) that will eventually draw more people here, despite the consternation of some about the downvotes. I've actually had more traditional bloggers show interest in our community after mentioning, "comments" not "crypto."
Just adding to the great input above.
It's an attention economy. It's not that people are all the time are preoccupied about their own content, even if most of the time that is the case, it's more like taking the first move to show you care and attention gets reciprocated. Reciprocation is a drive everyone has when someone does nice things for them and it snowballs when an entire community has members doing it.
I didn't think of it this way, the engagement aspect of it. I personally don’t comment on it because of blockchain permanence. I don’t want shit to come back and bite me in a few months or years, regardless of what I say. I’ve made enough mistakes, don’t need to make more lol
I do think it’s important to have posts with lots of comments on the trending page though! I’m sad when I don’t see any engagement on it.
That's literally not shadowbanning, mate. Shadowbanning is when you're posting into the void and no one can see it, literally no one except for you yourself and Twitter on their servers or whatever garbage you're posting on. Everyone else on there cannot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_banning
So if you're partially blocked just ask for an RC delegation once that's possible! :)
lol or take the booster (shot)!
Downvotes could maybe be compared to tweaking the algorithm on youtube/twitter to not show you certain content from certain users as much, it's funny that you guys compare downvotes to censorship while people barely talk about getting soft-shadowbans such as the algo never recommending your content to interested consumers.
downvotes/upvotes affect the GLOBAL algorithm, not just your own. tweaking an algorithm for your own benefit is not the same thing. the nature of the algorithm on hive is not the same as the web2.0 sites in that there is generally less management and more purity of the trending list than on FB et., which use AI to heavily manage what you see. This is a good thing about Hive.
I do talk about shadowbanning on Youtube and Facebook etc. - I've spoken about it publicly for 15 years. I have video of Facebook deleting my comments in realtime and of Youtube not showing my comments to others (proven by access through Tor).
It is the shadowbanning on the controlled, anti-human web2.0 sites that is most of the reason why I am here and also whole heartedly support the massive court case that is ongoing against them at present. I have covered all of this extensively on Hive previously.