First things First
First episode of Jabber Talkie is out, make sure to go check that out. The convo did get heated, but I think it was productive. Do not hesitate to leave us some feedback, negative, postive, it doesn't matter. Make sure to follow the Hive Today news account as well.
Morning Chats?
I like things to happen organically, and If I find enough mental clarity with a good cup of joe in the mornings, I will continue to make this little videos. I think the title is quite fitting too.
Do let me know your thoughts in the comments. You are welcome to disagree or not.
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MenO
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The discussion is really going on now, good to see. Nice to see your contribution to the discussion in these videos.
I don't think I would upvote people with content I'm not interested in. Even though they might have put a lot of effort in it.
I think it would be better if we could have people who do like the content to see it in their stream. I have my own cycling community which is a niche on Hive and every now and then someone finds the community they didn't knew existed.
I'm working on a plan with @ecoinstant to provide this. More about it will follow later this week. I will mention you in the announcement since you'd probably like the idea too.
I'm not attempting to impose my way of looking at things. But I suspect you know that too. We are just talking about life philosophies as they apply to the Hive experience.
For me, I upvote all sorts of stuff, even stuff that may not be my cup of tea per se, but that I believe there was work. I want people to know someone noticed their effort. Is it idealistic, a bit? Yeah, but I submit to you its not blind idealism. People want to feel seen. If they stay, we all benefit.
That's a nobel thing to do. We actually do the same with topcomment. We curate all comments. When it's a high quality comment, it gets our upvote. Even if we don't like the subject or agree with the commenter. With an exception of some sensitive subjects.
this is precisely the same idea, hence why it resonated with me so much.
Curating quality people versus content. This makes a lot more sense to me, @meno, than whatever you would call the marketing I saw when I first discovered Hive. Very frankly, the various ways this game or again whatever else someone wants to pretend it is instead, was a significant impediment to my own decision in deciding whether or not participating myself was a good investment of time.
Still seriously reflecting on what I am going to do, in my personal response to this discovery, this reaction, and this description of what Hive truly is, at least in the eyes of another long-term Hivian, I found your main point to be more encouraging.
Okay. I will then ask you a straight up question. From your experience base of years on the Hive blockchain, how common and genuine is this viewpoint with other accounts? Particularly with those one might call "controlling interest" accounts? Specifically, contrasting it with what one might call the "echo chamber" variety of most of the interactions I have read?
For your encouragement, perhaps, you have my attention, for the time being. Why?
With your creation of this post appearing to be a nice start to it, I hope the rest of your day is equally productive and constructive.
Your comment is upvoted by @topcomment
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There are some people on here, that to their own detriment, only listen when the other person has a big wallet. To me that's myopic. I know personally of people who began their Hive journey with nothing and have huge accounts now. You don't really know who that person will become. Also, good ideas can come from anyone, and we should be humble enough to know we cannot possibly know all the answers.
I guess you could say Hive is a digital reflection IRL dynamics. Make of that what you will. I happen to feel comfortable understanding this fact.
All that said, Echo chambers are nothing new either. It's a mission of mine to not get trapped into one myself, but I work actively at this, and it may be that I'm just under the illusion that I'm succeeding at it to some degree.
Back from going outside and walking around in the sunlight, I appreciate your response, @meno. From the little bit I have contributed content on my account, some may notice I like the idea of key words. Words are powerful. So, in your response, are there any which stand out?
Myopic. Humble.
As succinctly as I can manage, here are some related thoughts:
Thank you for providing an opportunity to have a little bit of interaction. FWIW, I would encourage you to continue to do all you can, from your position of influence, to challenge the controlling interests on this blockchain to seek input from those with different viewpoints.
You never know who is reading any of this content and what decisions they are making, as a result. Particularly if they are left with the perception that speaking up is a waste of their time, if not worse.
Of course, the "social" dynamic at Hive is and always has been about curating "People" and not curating content. What can be clearly observed in the context of who's the biggest sycophant in their greedy, hypocritical and fake interactions within the content of others or their online conversations with others through impersonal chat apps as Discord, Telegram, Whatsapp and whatnot. Being "sociable" you know? After all, this is supposedly a "Social Network" to earn rewards and make money online isn't it?
Therefore, what many here in Hive ignore. Being Hive an online/virtual/digital place. Is the fact that the vast majority of those who participate and interact daily on Hive with the people and/or their content don't actually know each other personally. At least not in a close, physical, and intimate way that would really allow them to determine and ensure that what they occasionally show and reveal to us as their way of being and thinking, in the way they supposedly behave, and in what they post, say, and the way they say it, is truly authentic.
Of course, this is nothing new. This obviously happens in the real world as well. The only difference is that in the real world, face to face, not everyone succeeds in showing their best version of who they supposedly are so frequently. For the simple fact that their body language and their ability to look directly into the eyes of their interlocutors when they speak, generally reveals who they really are and what their true intentions are when they interact with us. Hence, it is much more difficult for them to deceive, trick, and defraud us.
And when things like these happen and we know they really exist, I have no doubt whatsoever that what most people truly "curate" in Hive are no more than a bunch of temporary illusive avatars that dilute and fade over time or disappear immediately when you personally encounter or stumble upon them in the real world. Since most of them hardly have any content worth to "curate" interacting with them IRL.
Es obviamente dificil que pase, pero si me ha sucedido. Tengo amigos que conoci en internet que he llegado a querer mucho. Eventualmente nos conocimos en persona, pero simplemente fue porque hubo la oportunidad.
Hacemos lo posible por mantener contacto. Eso es "in real life".
Hablando de.
Te viste el documental de la vida de Ibelin?
Es fantastico.
No, unfortunately I haven't seen the documentary yet. But actually I have read the synopsis and have also seen some reviews and opinions on YouTube from people who have seen it. :)
As for the rest of what you're telling me, I don't doubt it happens. Only in relatively rare, infrequent, and uncommon cases. I guess it all depends on the opportunity as you rightly mention.
Nonetheless, I would like to add something additional to my previous comment, which I forgot to mention, and I think it is important to round out better my reflection.
It is clear to me that many here may think that I am a grumpy guy, hostile with the platform and generally sourly, very undiplomatic and very unsociable in real life. But nothing could be further from the truth. And although injustices and arbitrariness certainly drive me mad, in fact I'm an extrovert very cordial, kind, easy going and with a very good sense of humor..
But let no one seek my tongue with their stupid words or even more stupid actions full of falsehood, hypocrisy, flattery or delusions of grandeur. Because they immediately will find themselves crashing against a very clean-shaven tongue that will ruthlessly expose them publicly and promptly will put them in their right place.
Yep, I am indeed an experienced cranky anchorite with no religion. A veteran old hermit and ascetic if you want, as result of everything I've already said in my previous comment. But just so you know I may not be as cranky as I sound, if you simply think about this just for a second:
If it didn't exist or suddenly would be removed, eradicated and eliminated all sorts of monetary rewards from this platform. Maybe, just maybe, we would have a minimal chance and remote idea about who is who here since I can assure you and guarantee you that the relationships and interactions between its members here would change radically and drastically right away.
You and I have been conversing for so many years at this point, because I find your way of thinking necessary for balance. Cheerleaders are fun to look at, to have around, but they don't make the team better.
Also, I've had, for the longest time an intuitive sense that you are not really grumpy and bitter for the sake of being antagonistic. I happen to believe you are driven by the ideal of not losing sight of reality. When you think you see people distorting truth, being manipulative, your mental immune system cannot help but to engage fully.
I think you and I get along well because you've noticed I don't bullshit you, and accept fully when something is wrong or fucked.
Now this part
All tribes need a fire to huddle around, a common interest. So although you are correct, if the monetary incentive was to go away, lots of things would change, it doesn't mean people would stop all connections with each other. They might migrate as groups to greener pastures. Strong connections don't explode when the river dries out. Weak ones though, that's another story.
Humanity has only been able to adapt a system of collaborations at scale, because it discovered what I call "the convergence of wants" a common desire among big groups. In the beginning it was represented by sea shells, then money, and now digits on the screen.
Yes, that's correct. You know I only like sincere, frank, and authentic people. Those who are always willing to learn something new and aren't afraid to admit that they might be wrong in their way of thinking at some point. Those who like and are only interested in debating and sharing their thoughts and points of view in a collaborative, non-competitive way. As just as I suspect we all would wish things happen naturally and fluidly all the time.
In my case, I'm always hoping to be wrong about how I see things, and therefore always waiting for someone to come along and challenge me and convincingly show me why I'm wrong. Because that's the only way to learn, or for both of us to learn something new. That's the only thing that drives and motivates me to publicly share what I think and my points of view. Learning new things. Otherwise, why bother? In view that I'm already too old and practically have had and seen almost everything that you can stop of having and seeing. ¡WTF!
Never better said. And I completely agree with you according to what I already said in the previous paragraph. But not only because I've noticed that you don't bullshit me, but because I have also seen that you don't do it with anyone else in order to gain some favors or prebends from anyone. You indeed accept fully when something is wrong or fucked and are always vocal in trying to correct and amend things.
Yep, that's the history of humanity. Since they began gathering in small groups, different clans and tribes with similar interests and attributes. But then, slowly, civilization arrived. With dissimilar interests and beliefs which offered a multitude of new dreams, aspirations, mirages and things to choose from to stand out from the rest. Like religions, which only exacerbated that hidden human desire to establish social hierarchies in an attempt to obtain and gain more prestige, reputation, and influence over their peers. In which they believed would provide them with greater advantages and privileges over others. But what required licking too many asses and petting too many balls to achieve it. And unfortunately, that seems to be a tradition and custom that's still too prevalent today.
As I suspect you already know, one of the human specimens I most despise are precisely the ass-kissers and jalabolas. Simply because they are false, hypocritical, treacherous, parasitic, and downright dangerous to anyone who has the misfortune of associating with them.
And certainly in all civilizations, societies, tribes, clans, gangs and small groups they exist and have always existed as long as any form of value that could be called or considered money began to emerge. And in this aspect, of course Hive was not going to be the exception. A tiny tribe in the virtual world where only one form of digital "money" is the only thing that determines the acquisition and display of a supposed higher reputation and a small share of influence, prestige and authority over others.
Yeah, that may well be their personal fantasy. But I find it absolutely intolerable that they try to use it to impose their stupid whims and delusions of grandeur on others.
I suppose I've already shown you more than enough that I don't agree with that way of thinking and behavior. And therefore, none of these arrogant MoFos deserve nor will ever deserve my respect and consideration if they really think and are conviced that those useless, perishable, and transitory digits on a screen make them superior to me or to anyone else at any time.
We must collectively fight them and raise awareness. Raise awareness among them and others that artificial favoritisms and material possessions aren't what truly makes us authentically powerful, superior, and human on this planet.
Ongoing peer reviews of anonymous members as part of a Trusted Reputation system is essential for Decentralized Community Governance. Anonymity is essential for Autonomy & for non-violence.
Yes, this happens quite naturally I think and autovotes also work well for this until good people become lazy maximizers, hence it's up to curators at some point too to make sure a lot of rewards aren't being farmed in different ways.
Ask yourself how many of authors who may post daily and often get autovoted ever forfeit any rewards or downvote themselves if they feel they got overrewarded.
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This is why I think autovote decay would help this. It happens, I admit it 100% - there are accounts with $14, $15 dollar posts with no comments. But, and I will say this too. It doesn't really mean the post is shit, it could also mean the writer is not good at networking.
All this to say. It's not so clear cut. In my opinion it has to be analyzed. Like you've done. Without looking under the hood, we can't really know what's actually happening.
What about the users not abusing autovotes? Why should they get penalized if they're continuing to contribute for the votes?
Just downvote. It's quite simply, place them on autodownvotes if they don't do better, then look back after a while to see if they improved or fucked off.
There are many ways to skin a cat I guess.
But as you and I have discussed, there's a political cost to a full on confrontation too.
I'm sure you've heard a version of this saying at some point in time.
"He who enjoys tempting a thief is guilty of his own demise"
We currently have a system that is probably too tempting for thieves. There are people who probably say to themselves.
"Well, if I don't take advantage of this, I'm a dumbass"
I'd say in the name of being more effective. Any improvement we make to not make cheating too easy, is a good thing to do.
I'd go as far as to say, at this point, given the number of accounts who are ghost transacting. Keys are long gone, people are dead even, as we know.
If all that stake stopped moving, that along would move the reward pool assignation in others of magnitude above and beyond what any of us alone would achieve downvoting an abuser.
I agree. This is why I love the favorites feed. You can have a list of users and manually check what they are posting. The only thing is that it has not been working lately, so sometimes I miss the content.
when are we doing some videos bro?
Oh man, these weeks have been tough. The kids have been sick, and I've been very busy preparing for Talent Land. We can start the last week of this month or the first week of May. Next week, I'm traveling to Guadalajara for Talent Land and will be there for 11 days.
Quality content to me is a reaction video of a guy’s reaction to a guy reacting to a guy playing a video game. More of that POB please!
Dude, if you make a reaction video to that video, I will upvote it with my botnet for sure.
that's the kind of quality I love.
What a !PIMP
and I guess .... !PIZZA ?
I think we gonna do more of this comment command curation here in a bit, trying to get used to it.
I do really care about the people here and Hive is so small that a lot of us know each other. The atmosphere will change if we ever get to millions of users.
Yes and no. People will make silos, tightly knit communities. They will be aware of the size of the ocean, but for the most part, people will stick to the reefs they know.
Thanks
(2) Dog ate your laptop? Lol
(3) like someone can think your video is garbage... Lol
(4) HivePhilippines is managing their community very well too. :)
Someone thinking my video is garbage has the right to think so. I would not even be upset. They might be into Pew de Pie stuff, and I'm no Pie. hahahahah
You r just a sugar pie, honey pie for someone.
Hey, mom said I am not weirdo, I am distinguished ;)
#hive #posh
$PIZZA slices delivered:
(1/20) @ecoinstant tipped @meno
Moon is coming