So @hivewatchers showed what they really are, what they really love to do, what they stand for: destruction of artist's accounts, intimidation, control, bullying. This is not about keeping Hive clean, it's about showing what they can do to your account with theirs army of bots if you show them the middle finger for theirs questionable activities. It's such a shame that this mafia shit is still going on here on hive.
@HIVEWATCHERS, you should change your name to @HIVEGESTAPO. If you jack off by bullying people online you might find a lot of opportunities on Facebook and Instagram.
I'd like to encourage all those who dare to share theirs experience here with this blockchain-terrorist organisation.
Your art is amazing.
But reposting/double posting it so you can earn rewards again on the same art/content isn't liked here :)
Otherwise someone could just post the same post every single day, every single hour and get rewarded for it x)
There is nothing bad about showing old artworks again after years. It's not the same audience here as it was years ago on Steemit. An artist has the right to exhibit his limited repertoire again after some time, especially if his business relies on exposing his art to a growing audience. Comparing this with copy-pasting the same stuff every day is ridiculous. If someone does post the same shit over and over again nobody will give them upvotes, nobody will follow them, the problem will resolve itself. There is no need for such overzealous gestapo like the @hivewatchers.
These "hivewatchers" are not making hive any better but rather destroying the reputation of this network. Some of these people obviously use this as a means to bully others and get those who "broke" theirs vague laws to boolick for forgiveness. Expressing disagreement with theirs practices results in revengeful downvotes and in many cases the unnecessary destruction of artist's livelihood, especially of people who live in countries where something like Hive is the only way to generate revenue from theirs artwork. I've seen this happening on Steemit, sad to see these assholes forked theirs terror into Hive too.
The idea of decentralization is getting rid of the terror of centralized entities like parasitic governments with theirs omnipotent bureaucracy and monopoly on violence. It's sad that the scum who wants to patronize and control others always finds a way to thrive. And their promise always is to make the world "better and safer", but what they really achieve is the very opposite.
Well, feel free to share your art as much as you want. Thr only thing we don't appreicate is you getting pay for already posted artwork, so you can decline the payout if you want to repost your art and nobody will have a problem with that, not even @hivewatchers :D
who the fuck are you thinking you could talk for the whole platform? for everyone else?
speak for yourself and let others do the same
Thats very aggresive.
Well, if you could get pay for the same content all the time, why would you create something new??
Hive is not a farming platform my dude
I agree completely also people don’t realise adding another layer that’s barely noticeable can take a whole day or a few days. It’s easy to scribble on paper or take an iPhone photo every day but your work takes probably weeks per piece. A slight update can take probably a few days. For these sites to get more popular they need to run like insta. You don’t see Instagram telling people they can’t post a photo again. People have a choice to just not vote for it.
His art is great. Evidently inspired by Beksinski.
Rules about abuse apply to everyone the same.
Sense of entitlement/grandiosity because of artistic talent does not give a right to be above the rules/get special treatment.
"Sense of entitlement"... @logic you are just projecting. You are nothing but a cowardly bully hiding beding a nickname, acting out your own grandios self-entitlement on everyone who dares to oppose your so called "rules". If playing this art-gestapo is the sole purpose of your existence than I really feel sorry for you.
Nive Psychological Projection in the form of ad hominem you keep using, mate.
I have simply described your behaviour.
Hive does not owe you "FREE MONEY" to reward your recycled content.
You entitled little man. Who the fuck do you think you are to decide what's right on Hive and what's not? Try showing some gratitude for what others have given you OR fuck off and post thousands of times a day on Facebook for 'likes', that'll massage your over-inflated ego but not put food on your table. What an ungrateful, greedy parasite.
If you don't like guidelines that are generally agreed upon by a consensus of the community, you're in the wrong place and wanting rules defined just by yourself makes YOU the little dictator, not Hivewatchers.
Strange that you feel entitled to give an opinion but others cannot? Makes you an insecure little hypocrite.
As for the people who are autovoting your every post, another reason why autovotes are making a mockery of this platform as by voting, you are endorsing this arse-wipe's opinion.
PS Another person just earns and withdraws...how do you think you earn here? From others who save to be able to give big votes but what do you do for anyone else? NOTHING.
Yeah, give it to me. Your profile tells it all: https://peakd.com/@leedsunited
I brought a lot of artists here over the years by promoting Steemit and later Hive in the visionary/surreal art community in which I'm well connected with. I never posted any spam and I never bullied or patronized anyone for what they are posting or not. Giving an opinion is one thing, sabotaging the work and effort of people is another. You obviously prefer a climate of militia-style patronization and penalization of others. Then Hive definitely is nothing for you. Me calling a dictator is just ludicrous and revealing monumental stupidity.
Tells what exactly Mr Superior?
According to you, I'm monumentally stupid but yet its not me creating posts calling people 'gestapo' for removing rewards from posts that have already been rewarded because I'm an entitled, greedy and spoilt little child, is it ?
If you don't get that using the same artwork in another post two years later is no spam than I have to question your cognitive abilities.
It may not be spam directly but 3 of your identical posts had the same upvoter as well which goes against what curation is. Hive has a completely different rewarding system so you can't compare it to ad-revenue or other likes of what you may be used to. When you post something you have 7 days to receive rewards for it, after that window is over then it's gone and you shouldn't be able to try your luck with the same content again because it is stake we are rewarding you here. At some point maybe front-ends will start rewarding authors with a share of ad-revenue too so you could continue earning evergreen rewards from older content but that still doesn't change the fact that this is how rewards work on Hive right now and what the consensus is on curation.
Think of it this way, a post that was curated 4 years ago and got you 100 hive if held staked would have grown by over 60% by now through curation and a self-vote here and there. Ad revenue doesn't work the same way nor do sponsorship money, etc.
@acidyo why does it sound to me like the curators "pay" me with theirs stake when they actually make money with curating? This doesn't make sense! 50% of the revenue is split amongst the curators right? No one who gives an upvote is paying anything but earning a pice of the revenue, that is if the revenue is not cancelled by some rogue hive militia or a hater with a large stake. Or are you telling me that all those who hold a large stake are philanthropists who are not interested in increasing theirs stake at all? Come on...
Every stakeholder is paying for those rewards so it's in their best interest that it gets used well. Both author and curation rewards aren't guaranteed. I attempted to compare it to adrevenue so you could get a better understanding that stake here works differently, if some stakeholders deem it unfair that some can repost their work many times and earn stake from it each time then by all means they can downvote curate those posts or if others think that's unfair they can vote it higher as a counter. It's not a rogue hive militia, I've had plenty of disagreements with hivewatcher in the past and from time to time, here I don't disagree with them.
You get one shot to post a certain work for curation then it's up to curators to find it and reward it properly or for you to engage and build an audience to make sure chances are lower they don't get missed. Compared to many other platforms most content creators have a really difficult time to become seen and rewarded, here it's different cause curators also have a vested interest in making sure stake is distributed wide and to many, both for retention and to make it fair.
I had noticed you posting more frequently lately but wasn't able to find the reposts, thought you were just posting older works you hadn't shared here yet.
I didn't say it was Spam. I said you were greedily attempting to monetise the same work twice.
If you sell a physical piece of art from a gallery. Can you then resell the same piece of art two years later?
Again, it seems that it isn't me with the cognitive problems. Groundhog Day was a fictional movie, not a documentary!
And yet again you prove what you are. Of course I can resell an artwork multiple times, for instance as a "limited edition" print. But I bet you will fail to explain me how this is related to making a new post with the same artwork years later.
Keep posting soccer scores over and over again. That's definitely a great enrichment for this platform. The Hive Gestapo won't mind.
lol...again, I ask you to explain further please.
That's a 'print' not an original as I used in my example if you read again. As a consumer, would I keep buying a book over and over again or a DVD?
Again, who are you to dictate the rules here? I guess you're so upset that you won't ever post again here.....lol...right!!
Yes you can do prints and limited edition print runs. So for sure and you would continue to promote till the edition sold out. Same with digital nfts which, would be the closest example.
Let me offer you an alternative as a neutral person. Please don’t take downvotes personally. At hive, the rule of the blockchain is that the rewards are not yours until day 7 at payout, before that it belongs to the common community reward pool. So what you see from day 1 - day 7 is NOT your revenue. People are free to upvote or downvote your content and you have no control over it.
Now about reposting. Since every content is monetized at hive we as a community do not allow reposting for rewards. You can certainly repost but you should decline rewards. Otherwise everyone can post pictures of their pet 50 times and get votes. Lots of these vote, about 95% probably, are automated. So they don’t really read your post. They will vote a picture of apple or pet or whatever regardless.
Hope this helps. I enjoy your art by the way. If you post original art, I will be sure to support you.
PS. One more thing DV doesn’t remove your content. They are not mutable and permanent, therefore censorship resistant. DV just redistributes the rewards back to the community pool.
Thanks for your response, but again, reposting old artworks AFTER YEARS to new broader audience is not the same thing as repetitive spamming. Those self-entitled "cleaners" should make this distinction, because if they don't they are nothing but a mafia-style squad. I've seen in the past how supercilious they were dealing with artists (and art students) because they've dared to use image references for theirs artworks. There is nothing that can justify the actions of these arrogant and incompetent bullies.
I will explain all your points.
Yes, you are correct reposting once after years is not the same a spamming 100s of posts. But where do we draw the line? Is 2 times good? 3? How frequently? After 1 year? 2? You see it can get very subjective and complicated. Then people will repost their scribble and all it art. Then we will run into the issue on “what is art” :) I am sure as an artist you ran into this.
Hivewatchers is not self entitled, they are a community supported project. Yes I agree that they can improve their delivery and communication but we don’t have enough resources to hire more people.
It's very easy to draw a line because it's quite obvious if someone is spamming, and it happens mostly in the comment section. This kind of penalization is not about spamming or disregarding guidelines but about a revenge for saying to them "go fuck yourself". I have way too much self-respect to bow down to this militia. I just checked theirs Discord channel and I'm disgusted how they force "delinquents" to beg for forgiveness to redeem theirs sins. It's sickening to see something like this happening in an allegedly free network. What's the next - a Hive-based social credit system à la China?
I believe that you are over-reacting. You do not have to visit any discord. You can continue publishing your original content and there won't be any issue.
This is a social network. Like any real society there will be elements that you will not like. If you like to focus on the elements you do not like, then it is your choice. Or you may choose to focus on the elements you like. It is entirely upto you.
I think I have personally been very polite to you and tried to explain everything. Please understand downvotes are part of hive. Do you notice, all my comments get downvoted :) Am I spamming or having a proper conversation with you? :) Am I worried about those downvotes? NO. Simply because I do not have any control over them.
Also I think both youtube and facebook has dislike 'thumbs down' button. Do people worry about them?
PS: What is obvious to you may not be obvious to others. There is a project scope for hivewatchers, when it was formulated we all agreed as a community, that we will not support multiple post of the same content for rewards. It was our decision. Hivewatcher just enforces the decision. If you have any anger, that can be directed towards us the community which is supporting your work :)
As I said earlier I don't mind downvotes by individuals. However, it's very rare I downvote - I only do it if I feel somebody was treated unfairly. This execution-like commando but is not the same thing. Yes, I might be over-reacting. After all it's still peanuts what I'm earning here. But I have massive issues with injustice committed by self-entitled assholes. I've seen such people destroying accounts of art enthusiasts for basically no reason.
Yes, I checked your earning as well :) I am not sure where you are based, but it is substantial. If I were you, I wouldn't worry about it. Its not that you have any shortage of original content :)
Should have invested some in hive, eh :)
Social credit systems are how societies work, the issue at hand is that computers never forget and the panopticon on a blockchain is searchable, so nothing new there.
I'd advise putting out original content, and this should all blow over.
Advertising here is targeting a small, unique pool of eyes, and you can see not everybody likes ads.
I see the "presumed rewards" like the price of shares or coins: Important is the moment when you buy or sell, everything else is just fantasy ;)
Yeah, sure. But then haters with delegated stake and theirs bot army erase all that "presumed rewards" just because they can.
Yes, they can. Because none of us are entitled to any rewards. Whatever left on day 7 at payout is yours, not before that.
It is as simple as that. These are the rules. If you like it you can post. If you don't, no one is forcing you to use this platform.
Again, I enjoy your work. I have upvoted some of your work in the past I believe. I hope you understand and calm down :)
what happened to you here?
They erased the revenue worth hundreds of Dollars of three of my post of old paintings because I posted them already years ago on Steemit. According tho these assholes this is spam and an artist is not allowed to show his artwork more than once, regardless if there are years in between those posts and a very different audience. It's a bunch of assholes using this questionable "virtue" as an excuse to bully and intimidate people here on Hive as they already did on Steemit. You ever question them and they are going after you with theirs downwote-bot-army.
Its not 'revenue', its a voluntary upvote value. No one is 'paying'you and its not even yours until 7 days until its in your wallet. Perhaps instead of whinging about getting caught trying to lazily take advantage of your autovotes, you might try to learn how Hive works.
ups. sorry to hear this, I don´t really understand this part of the posting thing.
Hope you can get out hiking! Here we are having a little summer again... 18ºc!!!!
Artists are more than welcome to show their art as many times as they can. Simply decline payout on the recycled content posts.
The sense of entitlement to exploit/farm/milk Hive seeing it as a "free money" farm is unbelievable.
You are welcome to attempt to farm these platforms. I am sure that they will pay you "free money" for each post.
I see that you have been warned by Hivewatchers in the past for the same attempts so the exploitation of the Hive ecosystem started as soon as the Hive chain was created.
The entitlement and arrogance can be already seen in that comment 18 months ago:
The @logic of Gestapo. Absolutely disgusting. You people should be ashamed of your yourselves.
We are not ashamed, you should be, though.
This is what we do, keep hive from being overrun with low effort posting.
If we let you do it, everybody does it, and then what?
Maybe we should be nicer, but nice is not high on the list when looking for folks that will do anti-abuse direct actions.
Most folks are scared of bullies, we are not.
Make original content, every time, and you will see this all blow over.
Or, you can continue your chosen path, and in this case, we are not responsible for what denizens you call from the deep.
Have a great continued presence here.
We hope to not come in contact with you, again.
@hivegestapo
Amazing! I see you identify with your new nickname. It suits you well!
HEIL HIVEWÄCHTER!
Ja wohl!
Seig heil.
It makes original content, every time, or it gets the flag.
I see no problem with re-posting something - as long as you're open about it. Were you reminded of it, why and where or do you think it got new relevance regarding current events...
Every vote, every downvote is an opinion: Is this post worth these rewards? And it's "rewards", not "guaranteed income". You've been on the since March 2017, nobody should have to tell you how it works. What's the old saying: If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Downvoting is legitimate and perfectly fine, using a bot army to destroy the complete revenue of a series of posts (and the revenue of the curators involved) is mafia style. If you don't get this you are part of the problem.
Again, I am trying to educate you regarding the voting system on hive. Top 15 upvotes on your posts are all automated, therefore bots :)
Did you know what?
None of these 15 accounts actually read your posts. Its a sad feeling, but its true :)
PS: maybe midlet did :) that's 1
I don't have any deals with people auto-voting my stuff. They either do it to support me or they simply do it for the expected revenue for curation.
And therefore you don’t have any deals with people downvoting you posts either :)
Do you understand?
You have no control over anyone upvoting or downvoting your posts.
PS we are all adults here, so maybe it is fair to assume that we are trying to understand as opposed to argue blindly
Among few other things that you've written so far, this one is bugging me quite a bit.
What bot army are you exactly referring to?
How should I call it when 15 to 25 accounts downvote 3 on my posts in sync? The sole purpose of these accounts is to punish/bully/intimidate people who either really do bad things OR who just express theirs disagreement with such gestapo-like practices.
It's called a downvote trail.
Just the same way people trust their votes following their favorite curators, they also can set it to follow their favorite Gestapo agents.
Both cases completely voluntary and community driven.
You've been clearly excessive in your remarks and terminology regarding some community members who have done more for this community than you ever will, yet, here we are, a group of people from that same community trying to point you in the right direction. Take it.
Completamente de acuerdo contigo 👌🏻. Te apoyo. Es algo molesto ya
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