I have only spoken about it in private but I do have some ideas concerning this.
I think we need to adopt a model similar to the US govt where we have "Federal Laws" or Rules enforced throughout Hive, ie things that we *ALL agree shouldn't be allowed. example would be unambiguous plagiarism, ie, someone takes my actual painting and posts it and says they painted it. I think we all would agree that's not okay.
Then I think we should have "State Laws" or Community rules, which are things that are allowed in particular Communities.
I think this has the best chance of defeating true abuse while not stiffing the growth of Hive, and creating a poor user experience and leaving the judgment on what is and isn't abuse in the hands of the people most knowledgeable about a particular subject ie the Community owner/Admin.
This has been pretty much the unofficial way I've been working with the different abuse fighting peeps.
Taking it a step further though, I think those "Federal Laws" need clear definitions and need stake weighted voting to come to a consensus on what we all want enforced at that level. I think this would be a good use of the proposal system to organize and figure this out.
At the end of the day HW is a tool to help and improve Hive, they should be working to support Hive, Communities and users on the blockchain. While I've definitely had moments of butting heads w people, I've also gotten a lot of help in shaping my community into what I want it to be.
I think we can all work together and that we have the tools to organize this in a way that makes sense where we can all win.
I find the art "plagiarism" an issue in the same way Julia does. If I paint it, it is mine, regardless of what my inspiration is. I don't even think references to the original work are needed (but might be included), as my painting is an original in and of itself - despite the inspiration. If I paint a near-exact copy and try to sell it as someone else's, it is a forgery.
For digital art where it is a simple pre-coded filter applied to a photo - fuck that, burn it.
The communities set up for art can police with whatever rules they choose. But I do not think "Federal laws" should be imposed on art, unless it is actual plagiarism, as it is with written text. You can't plagiarize a painting in the same way as text - you can forge it. In the digital space, forgery is a little ridiculous as it is a right-click, copy image and repost scenario - so it would have to be representing oneself as another - which is ID theft, something that is punishable at the "federal level".
Using a photo as the basis of a drawing or painting isn't plagiarism, it is a completely different medium for starters. Using another's painting as a basis isn't forgery unless one represents themselves as the original artist. Art is a personal expression and interpretation based on the skill and mind of the artist, some are more skilled than others, some are worse thinkers.
Ultimately, as long as the work is self-made, it is up to the "buyer" to decide if they will purchase. If you consider that a lot of the art on the platform is coming from non-professionals, I feel that punishing them for not behaving like they are world-renowned artists paid to be originals, is likely doing more damage than good.
People happily buy and hang prints of Da Vinci, Monet and Gaugin on their walls, and a poster printing company makes profit from the images of masters.
The real question should go to the artists themselves:
If you are copying the work of another, are you an artist?
Art isn't in the mechanical skills, it is in the ideas behind the work. Copying the ideas of another isn't artistic, any robot can do it.
Couldn't have said it any better. Thank you.
Yeah I think community level policing is a good way to move forward. If someone wants to create a post a pic of your lunch community I may not upvote those posts personally but if someone else sees it as valuable and wants to upvote it they can, that's what stake here is all about.
I guess the simplest thing that we all ask for in art posts is honesty so we can know what we are voting for with confidence. This is meant to be a social community and sometimes people want to just have fun and I think we lose sight of that sometimes.
i agree with you. Art has special considerations, and so a group of moderators who deal with art should be the ones making decisions.