A simple thought but oh so difficult to put together.
I've been considering a token for OCD in forever, one where curation would be the focus and general good activity would get rewarded. I've had plenty of ideas of how to implement that after eventually hopefully finding the right devs wanting to work on it, but it all falls short in the one aspect; verification.
You could say I could ignore that for now and still go ahead with the release of the token, front-end and its uniqueness to other tokens and see how it goes, but I don't really like doing things half-assedly as there's just that much time and I'd want to see things succeed and make an impact.
Verification has been the bane of many platforms in the past, are you doing too much verification, too little? Seems like close to no one in the web3 space has found the right mix and at this point it's probably a billion dollar solution to those who somehow manage.
We all remember voice.com, the overpaid domain by EOS's block one for a social media platform that was meant to be different. Dan L being plagued by alt accounts and sockpuppets from the early steem days wanted to make it impossible for them to exist and potentially thrive. While I haven't been able to follow its progress, I can't say it has made much hype around the space cause there have barely been any murmurs about it, or maybe I just haven't looked in the right places. I remember them also jumping on the NFT hype and wanting to center the activity around that but while enforcing KYC upon registration it seems that may have been the biggest boundary to mass adoption or maybe was it something else? Hard to say from my limited perspective and knowledge about the platform and, to be honest, the chain itself.
I still remember some old "steemians" quitting this platform cause they had been poached by voice.com people to switch and exclusively post or use that platform instead. Some of them made quite a big deal about it in a way you'd only see it as a "fuck you guys, I made it, I'm out of here" while followers of said account weren't as sure about the decision and openly warned about the dangers of KYC and how everyone is on a platform with their real names next to them and possibly real value under their names isn't just a risk but places people in a different psychological tribe. There's some freedom there that goes missing from being honest or real, even more so than how we've seen web2 become where it's always all sunshine and butterflies on their feeds while real life may not reflect the same way, oftentimes it even being impossible to. These standards we've set upon our online activities one could say are almost always fake and it's hard to find realness out there, especially on platforms where it's not so much about information but about aesthetics.
This fakeness can also exist on platforms that do offer that freedom, though, such as Hive. I don't think I'm the first to say that being aware of actions and consequences of them on this chain sure can lead down certain paths that may make you rethink how you approach certain situations and people. It's not just about the immutability of it all but also about your reputation and if you have your real name and face linked to your account it could mean a lot more potentially. For instance, if I was against something quite a lot and would want to point it out to the person or project I'd have to think twice about how this may affect me and my reputation and also how this user, if taking it in the wrong way or worst case scenario can affect my reputation and future potential.
While I love the way this ecosystem with its shared economy brings everyone together there are also some things to it that may not always be as great. Even with myself being anonymous and often trying to speak my mind about things it's not always enough that you mention that "it's just my opinion" or "based on what I know, this is what I believe about this". Cause if someone takes it the wrong way once they can ignore you or make you out to be an enemy, and hold grudges, that may come to bite you in the ass sooner or later just for having spoken your mind and sometimes without you even knowing or being made aware of it.
While I'm sure we've all experienced this in one way or scope now and then, this place sure has a ton more to offer that outweighs some of the cons that are only made possible due to all of the pros with it.
I'm going quite off-topic again so let's go back to the point of this post.
Verification.
We're now seeing a new form of it occurring through worldcoin where instead of just doing the usual KYC process of "hold up your passport and take a picture of yourself" they're instead going for our iris to scan. I personally don't have any issues with this given how they say the process operates, i.e. after the scan it deletes the picture after generating an identifier for you that you can then use as your ID.
The issue most have is that this isn't really proven yet and that the creator of this system has done some sketchy things in the past such as taking an opensource project that accepted donations private and profiting off of it. Who knows what they do with the data once they obtain it, even if the initial picture of your iris is now deleted the way data is collected is still yet to be determined once you start using their services with your new ID.
The thing that interests me the most about this is not really what the project plans on doing after the initial ID generation. I'm sure the masses are going to use it after receiving their airdrop/allocation for signing up in hopes there may be more to be had in the future, but the fact that this has early investors looking to profit does not bode well for its intentions long term. Even if there are many good intentions they are going to look to profit off of it sooner or later and I can't see how it's going to happen in a way where the user's data is protected and they are taken care of and constantly benefit from it. It will most likely be data mining of sorts being sold to advertisers and you just have to let those ads be consumed by you.
In the meantime, while this is ongoing, though, and we indeed see a big influx of registered people with this form of identification, what interests me is using that to ensure there's a 1 account 1 person system in place for a possible new front-end and token. At this point, it's just wishful thinking still.
Every day I'm hearing about new ways that worldcoin is being abused by their registration "booths" or so called "orb operators" where people are signing up those who don't care to find out much in exchange for some local currency while taking the worldcoin airdrop for themselves. Who knows how safe the ID really is in the hands of these people. There's also always been the way to cheat KYC to just have people who don't care too much about their identity and information being used to sign up multiple accounts that then one person holds and takes care of and most of the time looks out to abuse in one way or another. I remember even hearing about a game in south korea being abused this way where people would have random homeless people use their ID to sign up to then allow them to cheat.
Maybe it's still too early for this system to exist and be flawless, maybe we'll need some kind of constant verification system that already starts to sound a lot more dystopian than worldcoin but I think in the right hands and proven to not be abused it could potentially work in the near future.
The things this would open up if working and making sure no abuse occurs would be something I'm very excited about. A platform where you can ensure that each activity and person is manual and belongs to a unique user is kind of priceless. I would go deeper into what that would entail exactly but I'd probably be giving away way too many ideas I wouldn't want some worldcoin people to steal, but this post also got pretty long already.
While the intentions of worldcoin seem nice, I don't believe we're there yet where these will be executed fairly and hold their promises. Aside from all the potential shortcomings this verification still has, I'm looking forward to one of these working well and being "unhackable" in a sense where no personal information can ever be stolen and abused. As for how they'll profit off of the registered users, that's all up in the air right now but if history has taught us anything it's that it's not going to be with the users' best intentions in mind but rather the investors and founders. It does however give some more attention to the verification system that I hope will improve over time to allow those who don't have millions of funding looking to make returns to use it for better ways that truly support community and the masses without allowing abusers any leeway.
Let's see what happens, in the meantime our blockchain is immutable and until such solutions exist, we can always look back at past activity and do retrospective airdrops on those we believe were deserving and if they can prove they are one unique person later on, they'll be able to claim their drop.
Thanks for reading and apologies again for half the post going a bit off the rails, I guess my mind's a bit easily distracted at the moment.
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Remind me of something that happened in my country where forced conversion takes place the government take the ID of the indigenous people and few years later they have problems because one due to the new religion they are in they are not able to perform their lives as their own because according to the new religion they are forced or tricked into they cannot follow their own culture or eat food they grew up eating etc...
That would be the perfect day
I heard about this worldcoin few times now but haven't really follow what it actually does but from what I seen on some short videos it says that everyone in the world will have excess to food, shelter and water something like salary but you dont have to work or anything just being alive or to just exist.
It's nice to know that everyone has food water and shelter but I'm not sure how everyone feels where you cannot own land you cannot own anything without the government approval which we all will be like slaves or beggars waiting for government to send food or water to our apartment or something like that.
Maybe I'm wrong I don't know but I believe every good things that people wish to do there is always an evil way to do it as well. But of course I wish for the best if there is good intentions then there is a bright future ahead of us.
Just as we may not have imagined the internet might end up being so dangerous for us, similarly Worldcoin's plan looks innocuous yet could be a trojan horse to control the masses via UBI and social credit score.
It seems too easy to game the system online nowadays, though kyc seems to be helping to mitigate the challenges, especially on exchanges who are increasing their kyc demands this month after some kind of shift in the world leadership and their attention toward cryptocurrency.
Dan and Ned had a good idea with Steem originally, and EOS, though bad actors will always be around when there is money to be made.
The concept is actually rather simple and I have been thinking about it a lot. It requires a blockchain for who's only purpose is to store a valid confirmed identity for a single entity. Entered by the identity and signed by the authority (government) to whom the identity is issued. Once created, the identity can use a key to stand in place of any KYC request by any website. The identity can even create a separate key for each use case, to enhance security of their identity. The key will not expose the identity, but only verify that the information submitted for verification is valid and confirmed. This allows for KYC without storing any personal data on any site save for the identity blockchain, which only stores an identity verification, no other personal information. That's my theoretical markup, anyway. Any design is likely to have flaws that cannot be seen from the designer's perspective.
There's quite a lot of work going on around self sovereign identity (SSI). I follow cheqd (https://cheqd.io/) as it's part of the cosmos ecosystem and I know there are other projects out there as well in other ecosystems.
My hope is that "verifiable credentials" can be leveraged so that you can sign-up to sites anonymously but still be verified to be a real person and not a repeat user.
Progress seems to be quite slow though!
Yeah, weirdly slow.
Snipverse, the mobile app on Proton blockchain is an interesting social media about crypto, with the KYC process for the webauth wallet on Proton. This KYC process is centralized by a for profit company in California, so of course, this is not 100 % satisfactory. Registration fees on Snipverse are stake which is an interesting concept but infortunatly, forbidden by the new European rules.
We will continue to follow innovations, but Hive stays the leading decentralized media at the moment.
Sybil attacks are tough. There isn't much out there to negate them completely. Somehow you have to incentivize "being good" over the benefit of having multiple accounts. (Whatever that may be.)
We do take activity quite serious, especially since most people on here aren't really "big" outside of the ecosystem, there's usually no excuses to not be active in consuming and engaging with the rest of the community. At the same time this means that those who are active usually do get more activity back towards their posts which matters before we cast our votes.
Those on alt accounts just looking to milk upvotes through content most of the time won't bother being active on all of them and at the same time doing so means there's more room for error and once an error occurrs like the most common "oops replied to myself pretending I was another account", it's rip to your reputation of all accounts you've built up til then.
That's true. There could always be a layering of multiple algorithms to come up with a composite score. Set a threshold. Boom. Also, it might be the one time I'd say that the algorithm should be black-boxed.
I think, having your real name and face linked to your account definitely shows realness without compromising freedom, at least better than anonymity from a social aspect.
Yeah it's more the freedom of thought and opinion I was referring to, like say, you wanna criticise something but a friend of yours on here might remember you've done the same thing in the past. It doesn't make your criticism less true but you'll know they'll read it and think of you as a hypocrite or whatever if you're trying to help someone else so you rather not say anything.
Things like that, aside from things being immutable that may put some people in a more defensive stance about more casual/social interactions/discussions, this could be another barrier where some may choose not to be as open as they'd want about certain things. With anonymity that isn't as big of an issue.
I have not closely followed what Worldcoin are doing, but am just not too interested. Of course people will always be up for 'free money', but we shall see if they can sustain it.
I did play with Grantcoin (formerly Manna) that was a form of basic income that anyone could get. I do not remember what KYC they had, but the project has changed a couple of times and I could not be bothered to sort out the wallet they are using now. It was only a matter of cents anyway.
Uniquely identifying people is a difficult problem and coming up with a scheme that cannot be abused is even harder. I like that on Hive you can be anonymous, but still build a reputation that brings some trust. Doing that across multiple accounts could be a lot of work and you would need to be careful not to leave clues that they were linked.
Interesting read, like your minds meanderings. These are subjects i have wondered about too. Often here on hive it’s what i seek out, accounts that i feel are real people. I’m sure i have fallen for a bot account. But i like stinky underbelly people. I want my stinky underbelly verification coin!
Bots, easily confused with butts. They don’t have iris’. I wonder if u can scan the butt hole itself. One butt one vote. Big butts get same vote power as small butts… surely that’s not right??
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Butthole scans dont even sound so intrusive.
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Verification : Granted
They pivoted away from the original concept to become an NFT marketplace. I haven't gotten an email from their marketing team in ages, I suspect the project is in bear market mode along with the decline of NFT hype.
Edit: Just checked my emails, the last one I got from them was January 4th. Not a great sign.
Take a look at BrightID.
They have developed a nice identification solution using an EVM.
I have used their tool to identify myself in several Apps and works quite well.
https://www.brightid.org/
The entire concept of one person one vote being a good idea is in itself flawed. Republics have already been hacked a dozen times over. Direct democracy is only valuable if every citizen is highly educated.
I personally like the direction we are headed in. 1:1 voting will die a quick death as soon as a suitable replacement arrives.
Yeah I mean, the idea isn't that 1 unique person 1 vote would be the main thing behind it but it could give some interesting parameters to token distribution and a focus on manual activity, even if the latter can easily be gamed.
Just the concept of seeing a vote occur and being certain that that was a manual action by another human being is quite something in my opinion, something worth persuing whenever it's possible.
@taskmaster4450 is a bot for sure, but I like his bottyness
Nice post! you wrote some stuff about Dan L, Voice and Steemit that I didn't know. I have my real name in my Hive account, and I've always thought I was wrong to make this choice. This post of yours has heartened me a little about that choice
It will feel more wrong if you use alias or persona name then suddenly some dude makes a hive account exactly the same as your real name.
You're right, that would be worse
The concept of using iris scanning for verification is intriguing, as it could potentially provide a secure and unique form of identification. However, the concerns about data security, potential misuse, especially in this privacy sensitive world today might be a major turn off 😣
I wonder as well about facial recognition technology that is around and whether the two could be linked.
Pretty amazing how far we have come along with all these technological developments!
Honestly from my point of view, focus on the game you wanted to build. That is if you're still doing it 👌
I know this is serious and it's something you want to do, but there's already a fuckton of coins out there, but still a lack of games ✌️🎮
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Fakeness also exist on platform like hive. Here so many people who are with alt accounts and making Good amount.
Yeah that's what something like this would eradicate, and as I mentioned it's enough for those to do one mistake to ruin their reputations. It's usually those looking to profit shortterm risking that activity.
I'm still waiting for what you were going to mention about the token for OCD, no progress? I think the token should already be here.
We're not really in a rush to launch one unless we come up with great usecases for it that makes it unique enough for it to have inherent value.
I like the way ocd made a list of the delegators. I am missing out on the website name though, but it has the list of all delegators and and the amount of delegation against their name. you can think upon using that list to build on it something that make the identification as well as the scheme of 1vote 1 account 1delegator, or something upon the delegation pattern.
People could just delegate with multiple accounts they own, that doesn't really do anything about the subject of this post.
Ocd been on here for ever and it seems to be legit truthly and safe so token should be here from a time ahí, lets get this ⚡⚡⚡🤛🏻
Their have being lot of calls as regards doing things to user having multiple accounts, but I think it wasn't a successful one , cause most Individual today have more than one account, for me I will say doing verification and making it clear that one can't have more than one account will be better, all other account associated to such individual should be shutdown automatically.
Sometimes there are good reasons to have alt accounts. I use two, separate from my main account, for the Saturday Savers Club. Perhaps there would be a way of linking sub-accounts to main accounts.
Bad language only with the alt accounts ;) hope ur well Shani
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BEER.More often these days, I wonder if the free market model financial model we have at HIVE, specifically aimed at social interactions, is something we need. With 'we', I mean, the world. For more than 7 years we are experimenting without great results. I mean, recently I read from our Leo friends we suppose to have around 10k active users (whatever active user means in that number, don't know the definition). While we see the number of active users at web2 social services increasing by the day. Even Facebook was able to attract more active users, though plenty of peeps feel Facebook is at the end of its growth. The successes of all the social media platforms that doesn't have monetisation models for most of the participants, should tell us such services doesn't have to be monetised. Am not saying the model HIVE chosen isn't an interesting one, but as you already pointed out, it's darn difficult to create a solution that actually works. The one human, one user, one account is perhaps something we really need to solve before any success can be created. How to do this, isn't easy indeed. Perhaps it is not wanted even for the reasons you pointed out.
An idea that came to mind is to not drastically change HIVE content voting system, but the change the rewards flow itself. Instead of distributing the rewards to the voter and the content owner receiving the vote, the rewards flow into various funds. Which funds a particular vote reward flows into could be based on many parameters, like the preferences of the content owner, the preferences of the voter, and the content itself (through AI analyses for instance). A funds system is needed. Funds can be created with various goals. This could include e.g. a HIVE development fund (perhaps this is our DHF, or perhaps this is some different development fund to DHF with a different setup), could be other HIVE ecosystem funds eg marketing, for managing partners, could include all sorts of charity funds, could be for anything really. In such a setup the users still have influence over money distribution, however, the direct personal financial benefits are taken off the table. It is the latter that causes so much distress in my honest opinion.
I think we really need to start thinking of and implementing drastic changes to the HIVE system if we want to social interaction side of things to grow. Quite funny when reading about the LEO Finance DHF proposal. 15 months project to double our active users, which in fact will only add a little less to 10k new active users. While FB has what? 3 Billion monthly active users? Owwww, the governance of DHF may need an overhaul as well. Today, like last so many years, it is a bit too centralised ;) As I stated before, we need some drastic changes to the HIVE system ;)
Could a POIs (proof-of-individuality/groupcurrency.org) wallet work? With forensic video analysis available, why not? Biometrics may be used but the they should maintain an open source, peer reviewed and decentralization criteria!
I think unique user ID's a re a useful tool for a variety of use cases like voting or other similar one person one vote situations. I thought I read about some company who did this for the country of Lithuania or Estonia a few years back, but I didn't save the article. I wasn't to interested in KYC at the time. But you may find that article combined with your ideas may help you make some headway in your project.
I personally thought that instead of having your ID verifications tools spread out over all the various vendors you deal with daily, who have to confirm your ID, that having a central repository verify your ID to all other vendors was a better solution. Then only one place would have to harden it's security to be unhackable. But part of me while thinking mathematically that there were less places to hack, so more secure, I wondered if the one place would be seen as a honey pot of sorts, which attracted hackers because it was a challenge.
I think we are very early in this new technology, and hopefully we will figure out some of these issues in my lifetime and improve the usefulness of this technology.
I confess to having a perhaps unhealthy passion for this field, because it earns so little compared to my two real jobs. Sometimes I think I have wasted five years learning about cryptocurrency. But a little voice keeps telling me nothing you do for your brain is ever wasted, so I indulge myself.
Retrospective airdrops sound like an intriguing concept to reward deserving individuals who might have been overlooked in the past. It's always great to explore new ideas and solutions to improve the fairness and inclusivity of airdrop mechanisms.