The pump and dump wasnt where the exploit happened.
The exploit happened due to a faulty platform mechanic. The 5 minute price average burn mechanism. It takes a few seconds to move that GLX into the dapp. There are no pools to worry about and extremely low liquidity.
Who dumped then after? To hold a price for 5 minutes is long.
Also, from what I've read in the chat, it was told to the team that they will do it, so a lot of people have been aware of it.
The only major impact is the pack dilution. I know, trust is an issue, but an investor with a big pocket, could do the same also on the 24 hour price average, if he has enough funds and gets slowly that token under different accounts, to stay off radar.
It really wouldnt. Hive has no burn mechanism like that. The actual question is what would have happened if they had more funds on hand
I mean that any market can be manipulated, and every currency can be pumped or dumped, depending on the funds. Best case, Soros vs. the British Pound.
I know oli, he is like this, sees the opportunity and grabs it. I know lostintime and he has funds, but was not aware of the emotional impact it could cause.
Like said before, I don't defend them, and also don't praise the dealing. I see it as a high risk betting investment on an unfinished product, especially as they've announced it before.
I havent seen this but do you think that makes it ok to keep the money? I think it makes it worse as the team is obviously unaware or doesnt understand the danger.
Pack dilution, trust, investor airdrop % is affected since apparently licenses were bought from the stolen GLUSD. The damage is compounding and indefinite. It will only increase over time till the game is shut down far far into the future.
Sure, but you need the burn mechanism for this to be an exploit. A pump and dump is just market manipulation. We kind of look the other way in crypto when we see it.
Like said, game and economy is unripe, and it is a high risk investing in it. It is an emotional thing in the end, especially if the own return has been affected. Try to see it from a logical point of view, not moral, where could it be said that it was stealing, as stealing is a harsh word.
I'm also heavily invested into SPL, and don't like some stuff that it is going on, like insiders know when to buy and exploit some stuff, like it was on the land sales, when some managed to buy many regions in the first go. It is my own risk, as the firm does not keep separately the insiders from the investors.
Just from a logical point of view, pumping it up and burning it, should have held it up there, and it would be better than pump and dump. Who dumped after that, so that the price tanked?
Will reply tomorrow, if you reply, as I go to bed.
Possibly someone that knew what they were doing.
I think you want to claim that they didnt understand what they were doing or what would happen. I really dont think thats the case. They would really need to be a special kind of stupid not to understand the implications of their actions.
The implications of a pump into a 5 minute price average burn on a extremely low liquidity token.
By far, maybe lostintime was not fully aware.
As I already said, free market, they leveraged the assets they had and took profit, I don't see any stealing in this, especially as the tokens have been burned.
If there has been a stealing from an account in their pockets, please show it, glad to change my mind.
It is a high risk investment, and the first rule to this is that on high risk, the investment can go to zero.
So we come again on the question, who dumped, after hey increased the value? That person is the real villain in the story, which nobody mentions.
Also, using emotions leverage, audience, and public shaming might be a more ethical offence than taking profits. Putting pressure via a whole community, who does not research deep the problem, is not a nice thing to do. Just my two cents.
Especially since the tokens were burned it is stealing. They 3-5x their investment on an exploit to the detriment of every other investor. The GLS team made it clear it was an exploit. They didnt give back the money.
Theyre basically criminals.
These guys deserve far more than shame. They deserve to be sued.
Pump and dump is worse, here value was increased and tokens burned, from an economical point of view, the right thing. That somebody else dumped after, it is a free market, why nobody is following that track?
It is a high risk investment, without any defined rule. It was an option created by the team and some used it.
And stoned? If you remember the old communist times, there was public shamming and wall of shame. Glad we are over that. That some lost potential ROI or not even ROI, potential airdrop money, because most people did not invest into it, they got it for free and most that comment will not and have not put any money in. 0, nada. In this matter shall only be people allowed, that have bought packs, GLX and all other tokens, without the airdrop money. I bought a few packs, not many, as this is my risk calculation.
By the way, I'm getting flagged with curangel now, after my comments :))
The "Oracle Manipulation Attack" - not pump and dump
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This is getting in some sense funny. Most people that comment here, did not invest a single dime into it, got some nice airdrop and are outraged about the lower airdrop value that needs to come...
If you are not aware myself and Jron secured the 2nd largest presale pack purchase of GLG.
Read my long and detailed comment.
That I'm sorry for, as I believe in genuine investors, I did not know you had bought packs. Just read your comment. As I said, I don't support or cherrish them, but also don't blame. And that I have maybe a different view, I'm getting flagged by the Sheriffs in here with stake which is supposed to be used to grow the community.
I believe in @lordbutterfly, that he also invested, and does also great things for hive.
I don't believe in freeloaders that comment here, which use the airdrop and sell mostly off. Yes, the project took a massive hit, and maybe the impact is made higher by the people who comment and make it is a world's end.
Also, forking out will issue more problems than there are. Hive did a forkout of users, which was needed and maybe should have also forked everything what was before block 1, but this put also put a negative label on the whole chain, for years to come. People with loads will not invest in it, just because of this. And by loads I mean at least 10 mil USD.
Appreciate it mate.
I'm not super involved with posting on HIVE but it's always been interesting and mysterious how the inner working operate in here along with it's history... What did you mean by the sheriffs flagging you? Is that watchers? What does stealth mined mean in this context?
To be fair man I'm not sure it matters objectively whether I or others hold 1000's of packs or 0. What happened is what happen, if a HIVE or SPL whale or minnow with no connection to GLG views this as a trash move and wants to act accordingly, that's their prerogative. I think it's right for everyone to know and understand what happened. It's arguable those with 0 holding maybe be more "correct" in their opinion than those that invested and got burnt.
I am surprised that anyone views this any other way than Matt and Aggy called it directly, "manipulation" and "an exploit" at this point. A lot of people suddenly changed their minds when both of them condemned and were truly disappointed that the oracle attack came from within the trusted circle of our community members on the following GLS townhall. I have heard multiple respected SPL streamers talk about this issue briefly and all have either had the wrong or incomplete information (potentially from just catching snippets of the gaslighting in the discord) or skipped sheepishly around the issue trying to not take a stance.
Presumably as these people now (or maybe not if they dumped the project they profited off by damaging) have a massive stake and have colluded before. These are members with (or had) large sway and influence.
The more someone understands this and the damage/consequences the less they seem ambivalent and the average opinion shifts more to the same opinion I have. When given fuller info/education everyone willing has in my experienced always swayed to a position at least 1% closer to mine and often completely there.
That's why I'm super appreciative to @lordbutterfly for taking this upon himself as I got burnt out by just pointing out the facts to manipulators for weeks before it came to a head.
Cheers
Theres a group of people on Hive that oppose downvotes (used to be called flagging). Downvotes are an essential tool for the platform to remain decentralized as downvotes, just like upvotes allow you to decide how the reward pool funds are distributed. Everyone has a say at all times and all cases where the money goes based on their staked amount. Thats where the "money" for the posts comes from.
Theres more to it than that but, its one of the reasons why downvotes are essential.
Alex, doesnt like them. And thats fine. Sometimes people can use them to retaliate. Theres always assholes.
I mean, no one likes getting downvoted but its an integral part of making Hive work. In the long run you dont really feel them.
When ever something like this happens that affects Hive users, considering this is a Hive dapp, there will always be plenty of us that are more involved with Hive itself that will be more then willing to get the word out and hold the responsible accountable in any way we can.
We have more of a "family" thing going on here than simply being a community of random people.