Some great observations but always shows the struggles this platform has. There's a number of reasons I think people new don't get upvotes.
- Discoverability on the UI's is extremely hard and honestly most people don't want to read though 10+ posts a day to curate. It's a lot of dang work in terms of time commitment. But not only that it's hard like really hard to find quality good content and work through everything being posted and that's only going to get worse as more people come on.
It's another reason why I like threads as it's quick and the payouts can happen fast including being discovered more easily.
I think it's wrong that people need to jump into discord and other places to start interacting and be noticed that seems like a huge weakness that should be talked about and addressed.
- How votes work, by voting on articles from people or even threads that don't get voted by others because again discoverability it also means your own personal curation APR is going to suffer. It's why you see everyone pile on and join curation trails to make sure they are getting the most APR out of their votes.
What does seem to be working best however rolling forward is for those with decent stake in hive I would say 20k + hive powered up onboarding people one by one and casting some votes their way. For sure an area that needs to constantly be worked on but we do have many new introduction methods now like gaming and threads which are great alternatives to just making people come in here and write long posts which many don't want to do.
This is an extremely outdated statement that no longer applies. (July 2021)
Curation has been linear for quite a long time now. Cursed Aztec Gold
You get 50% curation no matter what you upvote as long that thing doesn't get downvoted and you vote within the first 24 hours.
Other than that great comment... certainly the reason I don't vote new accounts is that frontends offer very piss-poor curation techniques in this regard. We could obviously benefit from some kind of algorithm or perhaps even hire professional curators who's only job is to find this exact type of content so that not everyone has to engage in such monotonous data filtering.
Ah good to know! I didn't know that changed the payout structure. I thought it was still a weighted system. That's very good to know and wonder if many others still have that same idea from the old school days. Thank you for brining it to my attention so I don't make that mistake in what I tell others rolling forward.
Yeah I forget what hardfork that was but they rolled back a ton of the old economic incentives. That hardfork was glorious basically it felt like a lot of my ideas were implemented.
Hardfork 25 Goes off without a Hitch.
Found it...
Yes, you pointed out exactly what new users need to aim for - discoverability. Whilst there are curators going around mainly to find new users and good content, it is simply time-consuming (I say that because I personally read 5-10 or even more long-form articles a day and manually curate). But I don't really go around looking for new users to read and curate and that's one flaw too xD
Like you, I like threads because of what it offers us - getting discovered fast and yes, easy to interact without having to read hundreds of words.
I like the way Leo is doing with the Stake-Based curation. Maybe it could be applied too, specifically for newbies, not based on their stakes but their content quality and interactions?
It would be good if users interact on-chain than anywhere else. Although there are communities that require some presence in Discord (which I personally do not support if it is only meant for one to get his content curated).
I do like your idea of those with decent stakes to cast upvotes to their onboarded users' posts. We know for sure there are things that needed to be done when it comes to curation on Hive and hopefully, these will be discussed and attended to especially when there are many new users coming aboard. Because whether we like it or not, upvotes can be a good way to retain users.