I'll take HODL for 200 Alex. (HBD/BUSD)

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This is what bear markets are for.

What is buidling?

So we got a nice bump from this bottom-out in the market recently. That's all well and good. Market is extremely volatile and unpredictable still. Luckily early February has historically always been a "bullish" time. Even though it's usually just a dead-cat-bounce until we head into tax season.

I'm a bit annoyed that I again didn't buy RUNE when I wanted to at $3.50. Already back up to $4.40. Pretty wild. And here I stare at the price knowing that if I don't buy the price will keep going up but if I do buy it will drop. How maddening; this is why we DCA.

I'm very much annoyed that I also didn't buy back into Hive at 80 cents like I said I was going to. Still waiting on all those soon™ launches before I make any real moves. Hive price is in a pretty precarious spot though, being batted down by resistance at the MA(200).


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With the MA(200) at 94 cents just slapping us down like that it feels like Hive is still on very thin ice. Checking current liquidity on exchanges shows potentially heavy slippage in both directions. The liquidity problem continues.

Speaking of liquidity.

a proposal to allocate DHF money to the HBD/BUSD pair on Hive-Engine because of one of my posts on the issue. Pretty cool. It obviously won't get funded, even though it should, but sometimes it's still smart to play the game even if you know you're going to ultimately lose. This will stand as a political statement that we can point back to later as leverage for our cause. All the best gains in strength come from failure, not success. Bear markets are for building.@ecoinstant published

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It has a little more support support since last I checked (from 1M to 1.6M) but that's a long way off from the 27.7M required. Got a lot of familiar names voting for it. Good stuff.

I think a lot of people around here don't consider just how much governance goes on with DPOS infrastructure. The name of the game in DPOS is stakeholding. Those who bring the most value to the network have the biggest vote. And while it's easy to claim that there are a few big whales out there that don't contribute anything whatsoever to the ecosystem... they aren't dumping, are they? If the value exists as powered up Hive, and not a Lambo, that person gets a bigger vote, plain and simple. Just something to consider.

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HBD/BUSD

This is actually a great AMM pool to allocate yield to, because no one complains about BUSD not being stable. In fact, no one even considers the variance of value in USD like other things because USD is the unit-of-account measurement we use to calculate the value of everything around us. Hard to get around such a psychological hurdle.

In any case, allocating yield to HBD/BUSD is a great idea because if there is a ton of liquidity within that pair, HBD won't dip like it has been during these dumps. Why? Because anyone can just transfer their HBD to BUSD for very little slippage and exit for $1. More importantly, when HBD gets dumped on another market below the peg the HBD/BUSD pool would be used to arbitrage that market and bring it up to the correct value.

Again, I'd like to point out that it's not even possible to buy/sell 10k HBD, on any market in existence today, instantly without severe slippage. In the world of crypto, that's a small amount and the lack of liquidity here is fully what causes the peg to break to the downside.

Yield/liquidity ratio.

The interesting thing about a double stable-coin pairing is that we already know in advance around how much liquidity it will get. Do we want $5M worth of liquidity here? The math to get that outcome is actually pretty simple. We already know that the pool itself will have a yield between 10%-20%.

How can we guarantee a yield between 10%-20%?

Well, HBD already offers 12% in the savings account (which is locked for 3 days and not liquid), and looking at other options in DEFI we see the same outcomes. Stablecoin/Stablecoin pools are more competitive and higher liquidity because they are shielded from volatility and offer yields x50 higher than banks.

If we wanted $5M worth of TVL in the HBD/BUSD AMM pool, we simply need to allocate $1M a year in yield to it to get the guaranteed result. Once $5M were locked in the pool that would be a yield of 20%, which is the target we were expecting. That kind of liquidity would massively anchor HBD to an actual stable value, which in turn incentivizes more people to actually hold HBD as a stable coin, which in turn allows Hive to outsource more debt and pump the price up of Hive itself.

Is $5M a lot?

Yeah it's quite a bit actually. The CUB/BUSD pool only has $1.1M locked in it, and I can extract thousands upon thousands of dollars from it with very little slippage. Given this fact, we know that we only need to allocate $100,000-$1,000,000 a year to a stable coin pairing with HBD to greatly stabilize it in both directions. The more we allocate, the more stable it becomes. This is an extremely cheap solution and there really is no excuse for not doing it. Proposal 206 only asks for $120,085 ($329 a day) so this is very much on the low end of the spectrum.

These are honestly pretty basic economic principals and it's actually embarrassing that @aggroed created these diesel pools and no one seems to be actually using them for their intended purpose. The 1% entrance/exit fee doesn't help with arbitrage but still I feel like there should be a lot more collaboration and cooperation here. Oh well, these things take time. BXT (BeeSwap) token is making some progress. When our stablecoin can crash 10% instantly you'd think we'd move to fix this problem more quickly, but I guess not. All in good time.


I'll take HODL for $400, Alex.

This McDonalds meme token was created with an interchange with Elon Musk on Twitter.

What is Grimace Coin?

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Only up 285000% in a couple days?
Those are rookie numbers.
Gotta pump those numbers up.

I'll take HODL for $800, Alex.

This is the ultimate top signal.

What is mainstream adoption.

Again I think it's funny how mainstream adoption is happening right before our very eyes, but it's not happening in the way that crypto enthusiasts envisioned, and therefore this must be a "top signal". Again, there is no top signal. These people are not prophets, the top signals are only known in retrospect or if you claim every signal is a top signal and go back in time and ignore the 100 other times top signal was declared but ended up being wrong.

One thing is quite certain: the economy is on extremely rocky terrain, and crypto, like all other assets, is connected to the river of liquidity that binds everything. 2022 is going to be a very uncertain year. We had best hedge in both directions.

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Keep pumping out your thoughts on how an AMM can help stabilise HBD!

Proposals like eco's show that people are resonating with what you say and the Diesel Pool is the perfect test case to start to showcase what you're pitching in practise.

Keep the topic front and centre and people will continue to naturally gravitate toward the idea.

The tide is coming in!

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Well I do think the proposal by ecoinstant for the diesel pool was a good idea and I gave it my vote. Would something like $10k HBD being transferred in cause a slow transaction or frozen until safe? I think I recall seeing a warning label saying how large enough transactions would be frozen until its safe or whatever.

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I think the MA(200) keeps Hive in check and there is a down turn until Sunday. Just my guess. Then early Feb we recover a bit.

Interesting log scale Hive chart we have going here.

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It's so funny that we you hold the brakes on buying, price keeps increasing and when you buy, the price dumps.
I'd just keep blogging so that I'd make the decision to buy.

A lot has to be learnt by me because I see a lot in this post that keeps me off the hook and research would keep me at bay.

Impressive seeking 27.7 million but currently at 1.6M, only time would tell but the guys to pull the plug would still be worth noting.

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No Daily Double ?

This is how many maximalists it takes to realize that tribalism is hypocritical and antithetical to decentralization itself:

Oh I'm sorry the answer was the the square root of negative one, or 'i' for short.
Because that number is imaginary.

I still don't understand what all these pool is about but I'll go ahead and read and watch more videos. I've been hearing about this/that and how it yields passive income but I can't understand it because they speak "Japaneseyen".

But I did do something today...😃. I bought a Chaos pack(just 1). I had planned to use that money to buy some BUSD but changed my mind (call it intuition?).

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My vote may be small, but I have cast my vote to the proposal and sincerely hope it passes. I think with more incentive, the HBD/BUSD diesel pool could surpass that $5m target in the longer term.

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2022 is going to be a very uncertain year

Pretty much like the rest of then since 2019...

Oh, by the way, there is no top :)

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Voted on the proposal seems like a solid move to be honest. We need to bring more value in to hive and one of those ways is going to be through liquidity pools and providing value there.

I have to say last month I knew it was going to be hard for me to hit a number of goals I had with hive around $2 each and every other token to me a little on the high side. I'm glad I didn't jump all in and instead decided to wait and hit those goals a little later. Now with these new price adjustments it's making it far easier to build/stack and accumulate. Something hive and HBD could seriously jump on right now.

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Hive is a perfect match for stable coin liquidity pools with free and nearly instant transactions. Especially for the sake of HBD, I believe there should be tens of LPs to help it stay stable.

I voted for the proposal to see a stable HBD. I hope it triggers a snowball impact for future HBD liquidity pools ✌

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just checked it out and voted for it

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Everybody now:

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I’m a proponent of hodling during situations of fears , uncertainty and doubts. That being said I can relate when you said this “I'm a bit annoyed that I again didn't buy RUNE when I wanted to at $3.50. Already back up to $4.40. Pretty wild. And here I stare at the price knowing that if I don't buy the price will keep going up but if I do buy it will drop. How maddening; this is why we DCA.” Sometimes the ability to make apt decisions at the right time or nick of time fails me and it can be quite annoying.

Well, I don't know so much about grimace coin but I guess I will read about it.

It was when I read the hive white paper a few days ago, I understood what DPIS meant and this is where people need to be enlightened about having a voice in the chain.

A lot of people just think it's about writing and that's all.

I support this proposal. I mean it only makes sense that, if we have something backed by such volume of USD, we will have some form of stability.

It's scary if no one is able to withdraw 10($ of hbd.

I should go ahead to cast my mini vote to support this

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About the eco proposal ... its great since it is completly community driven .... tools created from HE team, improved with BeeSwap and gerber BXT token, I created the hbd/busd pool with help from gerber :), and now another person is asking for funding for LP rewards.... great one!

It will for sure show us the way and incetivize top holders to act. 1M in HBD liquidty in a pool where you can swap big numbers of HBD will do wonders for the peg.

I'll take as much $LEO as I can get for under $.20 Alex :)

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Again I think it's funny how mainstream adoption is happening right before our very eyes, but it's not happening in the way that crypto enthusiasts envisioned,

I agree, the adoption is happening and wall street is involved and corporations will create cryptos, and as much as the crypto people hate to hear it, they will be adopted there are more non-crypto people than crypto people which is why I always thought we should target the normies for hive instead of the crypto community, who doesn't like Dan, etc... Never mind I will not rant about this.

Yes, adoption is happening and the buy ups will too. Corporations will buy up technology or re-create it VCs will fund and they will hire talent. That's how emerging tech works. Not entirely sure what the price action will be like, but probably up for some, and death for other projects that can't see the big picture market changing, maturing and developing.

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Always a good read. Thank you.

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I support and voted for the proposal. It is another way to contribute to pegging HBD AND deepen the liquidity. But, about BUSD being pegged, a few days ago I exchanged 454 BUSD for 440 USD (rather credits on Splinterlands, but they don't fluctuate compared to USD value). Of course, it matters which are the oracles used by Splinterlands, but BUSD wasn't really well pegged in this case either. What it has though (and HBD doesn't) is high liquidity.

I have been able to take advantage of the rebound of the HIVE quite well these days, I have not taken much but it gives me experience.

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How you do your analysis shows transparency and helps in its own way. You do make up a good point in the management but we all need to listen to other ideas and see where we might be wrong so we can help.

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RUNE back under $4 sir, your chance to buy. I bought at $4.15 and your theory played out, it went down. You are welcome. Also click the support button for the hbd-busd proposal. :-)

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Voted for the proposal. This is what I am gonna do even though my HIVE account is paltry.

  1. Vote for the proposal - DONE
  2. Remove my paltry HBD from savings and place in the SWAP.HBD:SWAP>BUSD pool - pending
  3. Continue to move into the pool wit all new HBD
  4. try to spread the word by reblogging all posts concerning this

Proposal is up to 6+ million :-)!

SWAP.HBD:SWAP.BUSD pool already has more liquidity than the SWAP>HIVE:SWAP>BUSD pool :-)

Everyone needs to campaign their favorite witnesses and let them know you want them to vote for this ;-) Even a handful of the top 20 would go a long way.

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"Those who bring the most value to the network have the biggest vote"
if it were, it would be fair, but is it really? 🤐