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RE: Downvotes Oh Noes!

in LeoFinance3 years ago

https://peakd.com/health/@activistpost/pandemic-lies-infect-the-un-and-the-us

Gonna take a shot in the dark and say that this is the one that did you in.
How dare you question the mainstream narrative of the pandemic.
Pretty common source of contention around here.
I was fully canceled by a certain someone years ago (unnamed) for talking trash about mask 'science' and mandates and whatnot.

Also getting upvoted by Xeldal can catch auto downvotes.
Fun times.

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Wasn't about the content, but if people are going to throw blind/dumb downvotes around then they shouldn't be surprised if they get some back after tolerating a few. I for one curate when I downvote and fwiw I don't agree with big downvotes that curangel seems to like to cast neither, have had to counter a few of those in the past. I guess they're reasoning is hitting a few authors hard is better than many overrewarded authors soft for longer periods which I'm not a fan of as it causes more drama and unfairness than necessary.

Honestly zeroing out a single shitpost to zero is all the wake-up call I need.
Like, that's funny, we can all laugh about it.
Zeroing out a week's worth of posts all at once is just demoralizing and counterproductive.
But whatever, live and learn I guess.

Please don't be demoralized.

I hope you can check your account now, I don't think I have done any dent to your rewards :)

Someone once said to me, and I really like it

you do you, universe will do universe

The person who said that is my friend (good friend, no joke), and he countered majority of the DV.

Cheers!

I assume you must be talking about Matt?
Cool guy.
You seem interesting as well.
Which is funny because so many people make you out to be the fucking Devil.
That's what I get for fraternizing with churchgoers I guess.

I have like three reasons to be demoralized at the moment.
One of these days I'll get my shit together, eh?


But also it's weird for you to say you enjoy my content when I don't really recall you ever upvoting anything I've ever written. Accounts like @altleft and @newsflash upvote and downvote my shit all the time, which is super interesting. My good content gets a good reward and my bad content gets a bad reward. That's the goal, yeah? I haven't added up the numbers but it feels like a bit of an overall wash when looking at those two accounts. If someone upvotes me for $20 then downvotes me for $20... hard to complain.

I think at the end of the day I'm mostly annoyed at myself for not grinding out more code and figuring out how to build some real value around here. That's a 'me' problem I suppose.

But also it's weird for you to say you enjoy my content when I don't really recall you ever upvoting anything I've ever written.

Yes, because I have almost never seen anything that you have written below $50-70 range. NEVER in recent memory. Right?

@slobberchops and @meesterboom are both my close friends. I enjoy their writing a lot! I rarely can vote them, for the same reason. And they can easily farm auto-vote, but check them out. They don't!

What can I say Dude. You can easily see all this and make sense out of it. I am no Monster. I don't have any vested interest other than this little platform to thrive. I have downvoted Khal when he was farming to pay for whatsup. He stopped. I treat everyone with respect and call spade a spade.

Pokemon lover

WUT!

That means you're slightly younger than me huh?
I just missed the Pokemon craze.
One day, Pokemon on the blockchain.
Prepare to meet your doom.
Gotta catch um all.

Yes, because I have almost never seen anything that you have written below $50-70 range. NEVER in recent memory. Right?

Quite right, I'm doing very well here!

I just wish there was more stuff to do around here.
Need to be giving more users more opportunities.
Easier said than done.

Play Splinterlands.

Write codes for them.

Write codes for Splinterlands data that benefit gamers.

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Something I said?

lol. This is such a weird day.

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Troll confirmed!
Alright that's enough excitement for one day.

Yes, some of these downvotes go way beyond countering any single upvote, so it does seem unjust.

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Source: Dalz Article

Appreciated Acid! As you correctly said, it is not about the content, but about the normalization of rewards.

If Edicted, of all people, can say he is demoralized about rewards, I don't know what to say! He is top 10 rewarded author on hive, discounting 2 accounts of taskmaster! And null. Hope my math is right!

Hm speaking of taskmaster... which I was going to bring up but didn't... guy has multiple accounts, posts multiple times a day, and earns more than double the reward of anyone else on the platform. And yet he doesn't get downvoted, even if he rehashes the same topic a dozen times. He gets paid out 12 times for basically the exact same content slightly rehashed. No downvotes. Ever.

All I'm saying is that there's more to it then what is being represented.
It's very obvious.

When the DV logic put forth is actually applied and analyzed on chain, we can very clearly see that information is missing. There are clearly politics involved. Hive is more of a networking platform than a blogging platform. It's all politics.


It is not demoralizing to have a shitpost downvoted to zero.

Fire a warning shot.
Haha, we all laugh.
Shit post was shit.

It's demoralizing to have an entire week's worth of posts 100% downvoted by an x4 whale with absolutely zero indication why or when it will stop. Do I have to wait a week? A month? A year? Who knows! Guess we'll find out if I don't quit! Plenty of examples of people who were providing a net gain to the platform that quit because of this exact kind demoralization and chaos. Never a dull moment.

There are clearly politics involved. Hive is more of a networking platform than a blogging platform. It's all politics.

You're damn right on this one.

No downvotes. Ever.

Incorrect. I have done it. But I get your point. Yes, agree. Not enough.

Do you like to help me, please?

Again. As I said multiple times. You and I communicate well. Better than most people who says they love me :) (its a very small list, eh!)

Also I don't think I've ever been told I communicate well.
World first.
Living the dream.

I'll second that, at least - you do communicate well! :-)

Do you like to help me, please?

Help you downvote?

You cray.

I have considered a system for downvotes and turning toxic people against each other.
I'm actually kind of afraid of what might happen if something like gets built.
Weapons are neutral and can be used for good or evil.
Funny how the people who designed the A-Bomb didn't actually consider it would get used.

It's mostly the effects of autovotes like usual, not many can just say no to them by forfeiting part of the rewards or just not forcing themselves to post daily. As you've mentioned when there's also self-votes on top of top authors you really start to wonder if the focus is just the rewards there. At least when they've been here long enough to know how easily they could trail leo.voter or other curators to put their stake passively to use and distribute it wider.

Interesting, it's something we've covered before. I didn't think there was such a mainstream narrative interest here. We don't even mind legitimate downvotes, especially if there is well-reasoned comment attached to it. We'll keep posting here, for information's sake, but there has to be a more equitable way to measure what the community values, and maybe a different way to calculate the weight of a given vote. I just hate to see people leave who have been here for a long time and who are trying to contribute to something (we thought) was better than Facebook, Twitter, et al. Thank you for taking the time to respond! Please keep us posted on any other improvements or - I hate to say it - somewhere else that isn't quite as manipulated.

The problem here is that we haven't reached consensus about how to decentralize downvoting. Obviously this is a problem that fixes itself given a better token distribution (no more one person canceling out 100 other votes), but I think there are more democratic ways to regulate the situation and make sure it doesn't get out of control... I have a few ideas but... I can't build it unless I have employees/devs. Maybe one day.

Have you seen any dev discussions here about addressing the issue? Otherwise, we'll have to hope you get your own resources :-)

I am responsible for many of the DV on your post. I am personally telling you directly, it is NOT about the content. It is about the same reason Edicted is downvoted. The net rewards gotten high.

On top the account tdvtv is bindly posting 18-20 posts a day and xeldal and resonator blindly upvoting them. If that continues. Not just me, many others will DV you.

Also, I know @edicted for a long time. He likes to speculate. I appreciate that. However, most of us here knows, the amount of speculation that he does, at least some of that bound to fall flat. It is a statistical certainty :)

@resonator does not blindly upvote any posts - all posts are manually reviewed before upvoting.

In that case, the relative % of vote matters. Perhaps that can be adjusted...

Community can view the voting pattern, it is public

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https://hivetasks.com/@resonator

and Xeldal's voting pattern

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https://hivetasks.com/@xeldal

Compared to that, Curangel's upvote pattern..

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https://hivetasks.com/@curangel

Community can check and decide.

The voting pattern for @resonator is in response to the content on the network. The main thing we are looking for when curating is posts that are aimed at identifying and solving real world problems. There are many problems we face that are avoided or heavily mis-represented by mainstream narrators. Anyone wanting to receive substantial upvotes from resonator can start by focusing on the real world problems that are not receiving enough attention and/or by providing information that is hard to come by on the controlled web 2.0 platforms.

We think that by far the most powerful utility that Hive currently has to offer is it's immutability and so this naturally leads to promoting content that makes use of the free speech vehicle that Hive was born to be.

If there were substantially more content creators on Hive producing content that aligned to meeting the needs of humanity and our own goals, then our vote spread would be greater. As it is we spend several hours every day reading many posts in order to place the votes that we do. The issue of any perceived limited vote spread is not a lack of effort from our part, but a lack of content that fits our criteria. This is partially because of previous downvoting rampages on this network which caused numerous content creators who are oriented towards topics that revolve around 'improving life' to leave Hive.

Voting on Hive is based on subjective preferences and it is healthy that people have different interests and support a broad spectrum of types of content. However, in order to achieve the noble goal of voting for a wider spectrum of content creators, we will look at ways to inspire more content creators to produce content that meets our voting criteria.

n.b. You can see from our vote spread that we, in fact, do not blindly vote tdvtv as they don't even appear in the data.

We think that by far the most powerful utility that Hive currently has to offer is it's immutability

If that is all that you care for just decline rewards.

It is already immutable. I will totally support you then.

Resonator rarely posts, so declining rewards would not achieve anything significant.

To clarify for you, the comment about immutability is in reference to the marketing of Hive - there is a large potential market for uncensored social media and immutability is a key selling point for Hive. Immutability does not negate the post reward mechanism that all Hive users can benefit from. On the contrary, these features were designed from the beginning to compliment each other and to both serve as selling points for Steem/Hive that help the network effect to amplify.

I am not clear what form your support would take if all of the accounts we voted on were declining rewards, but since we have no way of controlling them it is an irrelevant point. If you can more clearly articulate your goals in this conversation we will be happy to take on board constructive suggestions that serve the growth of Hive and the user experience of the community.

20 posts a day... What the fuck is that an AI? I sometimes have 3... that hardly earn $30 altogether and I feel like a spammer doing that...