(日本語は後半にあります)
【English】
Recently, the topic "How to convert $HBD into $BTC (preferably anonymously)" was brought up on the Hive JA community Discord server.
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I have always kept my $BTC in an account at a Japanese exchange. But with the constant unsettling news about the loss of funds due to exchange hacks and the collapse of FTX, I have finally decided to self-custody with a hardware wallet this spring. There are others in the community besides me who are practicing bitcoin self-custody. So what I mean above by "converting $HBD to $BTC" means finally storing our bitcoins in our own wallets!
I want to buy $BTC with my Hive blog earnings
The price of $BTC has gone up quite a bit recently, and it has become more difficult for me to feel comfortable using $JPY to buy $BTC. However, I don't think it's a bad strategy to convert $HBD to $BTC while blogging on Hive and accumulating Hive Power (not financial advice, of course)
In my case, I have not been withdrawing Hive funds out of the Hive chain for some time now, as my blogging earnings have often been used up within the Hive chain (for purchasing assets in Splinterlands, community management, etc.). Therefore, I wrote this post to ask for your wisdom on what routes are available these days for HIVE deposits and withdrawals. By the way, Binance is not available for Japanese residents. Japanese can use Binance Japan, but they do not service $HIVE...!
SimpleSwap
The first thing that comes to mind is sending money using SimpleSwap: send $HIVE to SimpleSwap and receive it in $XRP or other currency at a Japanese exchange. We think this is a good method because it saves time and reduces the probability of remittance errors, since only one remittance is needed.
If $XLM is available on the exchange to which you are sending the money, it would be less expensive to send it with that. Then, convert it to $BTC at a Japanese exchange and send it to your self-wallet.
There are several exchanges in Japan that do not charge a fee for sending $BTC, so if you use such exchanges, you can exchange & send money from your HIVE account to your own wallet with as low a fee as possible.
However, when sending money this way, you must follow the travel rules and declare your personal information and the purpose of the transfer in detail when you send money from an exchange to your own wallet. When going through an exchange in Japan, it is impossible to avoid this procedure. Because it is so complicated, I prefer to send money to my personal wallet without going through a Japanese exchange if possible.
Maybe if I specify my own wallet address as the recipient instead of the exchange when I send money via SimpleSwap... but this would mean exchanging money for bitcoins, which would incur a high fee.
Hive Engine
You can also buy $SWAP.BTC by replacing $HBD with $SWAP.HIVE and send it to a bitcoin address.
The image shows the $SWAP.BTC transfer screen: if you send money directly from Hive Engine to your own bitcoin wallet, you can send it without going through CEX at all, so no personal information (even your email address) is tied to it. The fees don't seem too high either.
However, there are two problems. The first is that the minimum withdrawal amount is rather high, 0.01 SWAP.BTC. I have to save up quite a bit to be able to withdraw. This makes me feel a little uneasy, as I don't think I can do test money transfers, etc.
Second, the volume of transactions in $SWAP.BTC is low. Selling and buying are as shown in the image, so it is either not possible to buy at a good price or it will take a long time to execute at the desired price.
So, it is unlikely that I will be sending money in $SWAP.BTC, but it is good to know that it is an option in case of emergency.
Other Options
How do you guys withdraw funds from your HIVE account?
I would like to convert $HBD of my blog earnings into bitcoins and store it in my self-wallet. I am looking for a way to do this as anonymously as possible and with the lowest possible fees. If you have a good way to do this, could you please let me know?
My reasons for wanting to be "as anonymous as possible" are sentimental. I know that I have to declare my profits anyway, so I can't hide my income and assets just because my address is not linked to my personal information. It's just that when I withdraw money from a Japanese exchange, I have to enter the recipient's (my) personal information and the purpose of the money transfer, and the bitcoin address is tied to those details every time, and it's very stressful.
Oh, I recently found out about LEO DEX. Can this be used to withdraw $HIVE or $HBD? I flew to the site, but do I need a MetaMask login?
If you are using LEO DEX, what is your use for it? It would be great to know!
【Japanese】
最近、Hive JAコミュニティのDiscordサーバーで「HBDを(できれば匿名で)ビットコインに換えるにはどうしたら良いか」という話題が持ち上がりました。
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私はこれまでずっと、$BTCを日本の取引所で保管していました。でも、取引所のハッキングによる資金の流失やFTXの破綻など不安になるニュースは絶えず、この春ようやくコールドウォレットによる自己管理に踏み切ったところです。コミュニティには他にもビットコインのセルフカストディを実践中の方がおり、上でいう「HBDをビットコインに換える」というのは、最終的にビットコインを自分自身のウォレットで保管することを意味します。
Hiveブログの収益で$BTCを買いたい
最近では1$BTC=1,000万円を越えるなど価格が上昇しており、円では買いづらいなというのが正直なところです・・・(生活に必要な通貨なので)。が、Hiveでブログを書いてHive Powerを貯めながら、HBDをBTCに変換していくというのは悪い作戦ではないと思っています。
私の場合、ブログ収益はHiveチェーン内で使い切ってしまうことが多かった(Splinterlandsやコミュニティ運営など)ため、ここしばらくHiveの資金を外へ出していませんでした。そのため、HIVEの出入金に最近ではどのようなルートがあるのか、皆さんのお知恵を拝借したくてこの記事を書きました。ちなみに、Binanceのグローバル版は日本居住者は利用できません。Binance Japanがありますが、こちらはなんと、HIVEを取り扱っていないのです・・・!
SimpleSwapの利用
まず思いつくのが、SimpleSwapを利用した送金です。SimpleSwapにHIVEを送り、日本の取引所でXRPなどの通貨で受け取る。送金が1回で済むため、手間も省けるし、送金ミスが起こる確率も低くなるし、良い方法だと思っています。
送金先の取引所でXLMの取り扱いがあれば、XLMで送った方が手数料を安くできそうです。そして、国内取引所でビットコインに換えて自己ウォレットに送金する。
ビットコインの送金手数料が無料の取引所がいくつかあるので、そうした取引所を使えばHIVEアカウントからウォレットまで、極力手数料を抑えて両替&送金が可能です。
ただこの方法で送金する場合、取引所から自己ウォレットに送金する際に個人情報や送金目的を細かく入力しなければなりません。日本国内の取引所を経由する場合、どこを使ってもこの手続きを避けることができません。それがとても煩わしいため、できれば日本の取引所を経由せずに個人ウォレットに送金したいというのが希望です。
SimpleSwapで送金時に、受け取り先のアドレスを取引所でなく自己ウォレットのものにすればよいのかもしれませんが… これだとビットコインに両替して送金することになり、手数料が高額になってしまいます。
Hive Engineの利用
HBDをSWAP.HIVEに換えてSWAP.BTCを購入し、それをビットコインアドレスに送るという方法もありそうです。
画像はSWAP.BTCの送金画面です。Hive Engineから直接自己ウォレットに送金すれば、CEXを一切経由せず送ることができるので、個人情報(メールアドレスでさえ)紐づくことはありません。手数料もそれほど高くなさそう(安くもないけど)。見積を見る限り、今日のレートで700円くらいでしょうか。
ただし問題点が2つあって・・・ひとつは、最低出金額が0.01SWAP.BTCとなっている点です。結構貯めないと出せないんですね。これだとテスト送金などもできそうになく、やや不安です。
もうひとつは、SWAP.BTCの取引量が少ないことです。売りと買いがこんな感じなので、良い価格では買えないか、希望の価格で約定するには時間が掛かりそう…(これってKeyChainのスワップ機能を使っても同じかな?)
というわけでSWAP.BTCで送金することはなさそうですが、いざという時の選択肢のひとつとしてメモしておきます。
その他の選択肢
皆さんは、HIVEアカウントからどのようにして資金を引き出していますか?
私は、ブログ収益のうち$HBDをビットコインに換え、それを自己ウォレットで保管したいと考えています。その際、できる限り匿名で、できる限り手数料が安い方法を探しています。良い方法があれば教えてもらえないでしょうか。
「できる限り匿名」を希望する理由は、心情的なものです。どのみち利益は申告しなければならないので、アドレスと個人情報が紐づかないからといって所得や資産を隠せるわけではないことは分かっています。ただ日本の取引所から出金する際に、送金先(自分)の個人情報や送金目的をイチイチ入力して、それらとビットコインアドレスが紐づいていく感じが何ともストレスなだけです。
そうそう、最近LEO DEXの存在を知りました。これはHIVEやHBDの出金に使えるのでしょうか?サイトに飛んでみましたが、MetaMaskログインが必要・・・??
LEO DEXを利用している方、どのような用途で使っていますか?教えてもらえると嬉しいです!
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I've never heard of it before!It seems to work with KeyCahin👀 Thanks!
You may can convert HIVE/HBD to BTC or any other Crypto via Binance.
Simple and easy way I always use Binance for my Hive Withdrawal or to buy any other Crypto
Thanks, but as I mentioned in my post, we Japanese residents cannot use Binance.
Since last year we can no longer do that and it is inconvenient.
Yup, I knew, left my words for others who want to withdrawal from Hive
That sounds best for those who have access to Binance👍
Yup! That's why I left these words, you also have made useful post for All of Japanese and others who don't have access to Binance ;)
Thank you!😉
Hello so how do I connect my account to Binance to withdraw Hive from this platform?? I really need your help doing it
Do you have Binance? And want to Withdrawal your Hive?
You can't withdraw your HBD to Binance (must be swapped in Hive).
Lemme know I'll tell you that details
Thank you I got it sorted
I just made a post on how I was able to make the withdrawal you can check it out
Perfect, good to know
If you don't mind changing your HBD into HIVE first, you can swap it to BTC on Hive Engine. Check out BeeSWAP and TribalDEX.
I had never used BeeSWAP and TribalDEX! I had only heard of them by name...
Thanks for the useful information!
You are welcome! 😊
o.o cheapest is P2P. if u have japanese friend that need hive and u need btc
Thanks!
Sounds good from a cost and privacy perspective. Problem is, I don't have any friends like that ...
Do you use P2P a lot?
no but u asked for lowest possible fee? :P
Yes, I had never considered P2P, thanks for the reference😊
haha you're welcome i try my best ; ;
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