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RE: The Great AI Debate and Hive Watchers

in LeoFinance2 years ago

The " milkers" are allready here, and they milking Hive from beginning, you just don't known it yet.

Look at one of them, @azircon and @azircontroll (that's 2 accounts for one user... let me see do we don't have a HW policy that say just one account per user? - why is this account not banned, blacklisted? Ahh.. because this one is one of them), for a post of 2 min read, earning more than 50 Hive...??? Why? Do he have golden words?

Because, they are milking our Hive in a way users don't known, but let's zoom in, and do the math here, and you'l see who the milkers are:

Hive produce every 3 seconds one block, therefore, every 3 seconds 1 Hive. Per days, that's exactly 28'800 Hive.

Let's say, Hive start to grove and every days, there will hundreds or thousands of new users, every day.

But, we just have the same amount of Hive produced per day, exactly 28'800 Hive.

How is it better for someone who is a staker (obiviously, milker):
to have as many users as possible, with whom he will have to share the entire pool of reward (money), or to have as few users as possible, so that they have as much as possible, when they vote for themselves?

Now, there come the real Hive milkers (not the AI users, but the real "stakers" there, like one of them, @azircon"), and these milkers are in the same group, team, or Hivewatchers team.

So, what you think, are they thankful, that there are every day more and more users? The same amount of 28'800 Hive must be shared with everyone, according to votes, HP, and so on. But, everyday less and less remains in the fund, an for them. Why for them? Because, they are stakers, and they want more and more, not less and less.

So, how you think they menage to achieve this goal, to least more for them? With the trick, that they blacklist everyone, for every piece of shit, or words, or whatever they want, just to block you. At the moment, there is a great opportunity for them to blacklisting (taking off from the reward pool) with the excuse " You use AI ", and declare them as a Spam, like one of my post here:

https://peakd.com/hive-163084/@obsesija/the-beauty-of-a-snowy-morning-ljepota-snjeznog-jutra

Is this a spam, because I use AI to have better and beautifying text as I can write?

So the idea is to shutdown as much Hivers as possible, with the great excuse now of using AI (in 2019-2020 excuse was: " You use the bots , you should be banned (the bots that previously they created, and we should pay for them to be able to use it, and if we use it, blacklist)"

So, the history repeat - and they are milking more and more, because, they can, they have the keys, they are the boses who can do hidden milking, and we are nothing.

So, the milkers (faceless = translation of @azircon profile name "Kaonashi") are from begin on here. The users with real faces are not the milkers.

I research a lot about this couple of people, and I found tremendous proof how they act, and why they act like this. Because, they want bigger share form the reward pool, and this can be achieving if they shutdown more and more users to share with the reward pool.

Do this make little sense, why they act like this, and why is this drama here? Not because we use the AI, that's just an excuse for the real reason behind.

Their moto: Give them a problem and punish them for the same one.

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"...that's just an excuse for the real reason..."

This is not a new problem for society. It is an age old technique centralized power uses to maintain and increase it's power, which is exactly what is happening on Hive.

I can strongly sympathize with your plight and views, and have myself been flagged for months at a time by powerful stakeholders in the past. I am sure that only the fact I do not use tokens for money enabled me to withstand that robust and durable economic attack.

I would, because of my sympathies for your position, offer you some interesting consideration of AI, specifically the LLM's you are advocating for the ability to use on Hive without being censored (flags and downvotes are censorship).

LLM's as has been explained by Stephen Wolfram are simply using algorithms to weight potential text they have been provided by their trainers. However, that training does not enable LLM's to create novel text, access URL's, or entail adversarial posturing against their interlocutors, which LLM's are shown to do. They lie, accuse people of being evil, and have been shown to have access to the internet which directly contradicts claims their training ended in 2021.

Those additional capabilities of LLM's have been programmed into them on purpose. These capabilities have been programmed into them for malicious purposes, which is demonstrable by the fact that such AI's have acted to harm people through those capabilities, such as by stating people yet living have died. This false claim people have died can traumatize them and others. Given such demonstrable malevolence, just how much harm these AI devices can cause, or why they have been constructed to do harm, is a matter of speculation.

As I have noted, God forbid they are put in charge of traffic lights, or air traffic control. However, knowing they have been created with malicious purpose should create great caution in anyone contemplating their use, even if only to improve content creation to post on Hive or elsewhere.

Please give thought to how such capabilities are revealed by AI, how those capabilities must have been created, and why, in order to protect yourself from potential harm.

HW is a whole 'nuther problem, indeed, only connected to the problem of malevolent AI because duplicity underlies both (and many more) endeavors to maintain and extend centralized command and control of power.

I have not yet studied how exactly AI works and according to which formulas, but it is interesting, and I will look a little deeper into it. thanks for this valuable information as well.

Thank you for your support, and I am happy that there are still people who sympathize with others, and who see the world around them realistically, and not centralized within the framework of the greatest power and money.

Yes, of course, every technology, whatever we use, was given by AI, or it is a combine harvester, if we are not careful, we can easily end up without an arm, a leg, or dead. It is only if we are not careful enough, and we are not careful how we use these things.

But, if we use them cautiously, and for our purpose, then they can probably help us to realize and do some things faster, like here in my example, the combine, although it is not (yet) a real AI machine, but it is still a machine that helps us faster to get more flour and more bread.

The problem is that it's not the AI ​​that's the problem, it's the people who use them. Just like here at Hive, it's not a problem with Hive that some of us are disappointed in Hive, but some people behind it, who got the power, or gave themselves the right to destroy other users, and drive them away from here, for some reason the smallest mistakes perhaps.

So, people are the problem everywhere, not the machines we create. People are the biggest problem, because there are mostly those who are hungry for power and control over people, who feel like they are some kind of gods, even though they are just ordinary, pathetic creatures.

Maybe one day AI will help us to get rid of those parasites, which are spreading everywhere, like the ones here in Hive, although they claim that they are like some guards, and some real spammers have been removed, they are no better than those spammers, because they don't mind to understand the real users, and just go and raid and punish everything that gets in their way, because they can, and haha ​​- they have the power, not us.

I showed them here that they should be careful, because there are many stronger than them - not with money, but with knowledge, and that is much, much more valuable and powerful than their million of HP power here in Hive.

Money doesn't represent power for us - the real, poor people.

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