If I were a gambling man...

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Out of curiosity, how does reading headlines like the one below make you feel?

Does it fill you with trepidation, or confidence in your position?

While I agree that crypto investments should be met with caution for a number of reasons, I also think that what many of the traditional advisors are missing is that for most of the younger generations, traditional investments are out of reach and will increasingly be so, which will mean that as we go forward, less and less money from the younger market segments will be pushing into traditional stocks to prop the prices up. What happens to those who have their wealth tied into the traditional economy when this starts to take effect?

Currently, only a tiny sliver of the global wealth is in crypto, as the 2.5 trillion market cap represents - which is only 1% of the global debt that sits around 250 trillion, with the US holding 28 trillion of that debt itself. By the way, the global debt is over 3 times the global GDP - good luck with that.

Yet, these kinds of numbers become meaningless in our every day lives and we make the assumption that smart people like the Governor of the Bank of England is on top of matters, so the economy doesn't come crashing down around our ears.

Nice one Bruva.

Yes, there are risks involved with investing into cryptocurrencies, but there is a bit of a difference in affairs as - we are gambling with our own money, while what is happening for the majority of other investments is that it is being manipulated by people playing with other people's money and when it does crash, there s no cost to the gamblers, the cost is transferred and incurred by the common people, many of whom have never come close to investing for themselves, many who have no investment position at all.

Not having a position in the markets doesn't stop a person from paying the price of the crash, as jobs will be lost, houses will be lost, families will suffer.

The thing is, that for most in the economy, the only benefit is hoping that there will not be a crash that costs, but there is no actual increase of personal wealth or opportunity. Essentially, one is exposed to all of the downside, with no position for any upside. You can lose, or you can stay static, which will be a slower loss due to inflation and the increasing drive of automation that will cost jobs continually moving forward.

While the people of the past were able to benefit from high interest rates on their earnings and a culture that encouraged saving and investment, we are now living in a time where saving is penalized and a culture that is driven by consumerism and mass spending. Because the beneficiaries of the current climate have already built their position in a more favorable past, they have very little threat to their position unless consumer sentiment changes.

But, they are gambling that it won't change, but they are now getting a little concerned.

"Banks have been forced to take a hard stance against the growing trend, which poses a very real threat to traditional economic systems as more and more people elect to buy goods and services with decentralized currency."

Banks do not care about the odd person losing their house, as long as long term, the bank profits are up, which they almost without variation are, because they literally print money. But, they do care if the average person starts to choose alternatives than the traditional economy, because this will draw value away from the banks and distribute it in circles that they do not benefit from. At some point in the near future, people will be looking to DeFi smart contracts for their housing loans and be paying their interest (without the overhead costs) to millions of participants, just like them who have their wealth in a pool. What do the banks do when they can no longer benefit from things like fractional reserve lending?

A lot of people pit crypto against the traditional economy as a David and Goliath battle, with many seeing Goliath as the banks and tipping them to win. The thing is, the economy is driven by consumer activity and the vast majority of the value of consumer spending is from the average person, the 99%. When looking at the battle of economy, we have to look at it from the transactional mass perspective, the value that is moving. The value that is stored is only valuable when what it is stored in still has a demand associated with it. If people stop wanting gold - gold is valueless.

If, the younger generations are not going to be able to enter into the workforce, how are they going to be able to feed value into the traditional economy to keep retirement funds afloat? If they are unable to earn enough, how are they going to consume at a high enough rate to keep these overinflated markets from bursting? If more of them choose to barter between themselves rather than use the host of middlemen skimming fees, what happens to the transactions in the traditional markets over time? What happens to the new economies?

Those who control the traditional economies have been proxied through activity by the consumer Goliath in exchange for opportunity to work, stability of society, well-being and the chance to live a life of value. Their results are becoming more and more volatile, not because of crypto, but because they have overextended their extraction model to become so efficient that the consumer can no longer keep propping it up, so they keep handing out more and more in order to keep the merry-go-round turning, continually borrowing debt on the future, to be paid by the very same consumer group who are getting the handouts now. It is wholly unsustainable, yet most of the world is backing it as the winner - since they keep supporting it, no longer how many times it fails to deliver.

Yes, cryptocurrency is currently all about speculation, but every economy is about speculation o how consumers are going to behave in the future. You buy a stock in a company hoping that the consumer will want to buy the product and, every other specualtion is derived from the basic rule of supply and demand. When what is supplied is not demanded, it has no value, when it is in high demand, value increases.

For a very long time, the consumer had no choice to be anything but a consumer, but that has been changing as the investment vehicles are looking to capture more wealth to extract more value and drive it to the top, which it has effectively done. However, it was never expected that a rival system would be brought into existence to challenge the current conditions and while it was seen as a joke, now those in the know are concerned about where it leads. They don't know what happens, but they do know that the system they benefit from is at risk, so are going to look to defend it the best they can.

Some people will indeed lose all of their money - but does it matter if that money has no demand on it and they hold crypto instead? Perhaps the biggest risk to personal wealth is exposure to the traditional economy itself, the one that only has intrinsic value because we keep using it. If enough start to shift their attention to the alternatives, that exposure could become very costly and as it has always been in the past, it will not be the institutions left holding the bag, they will raid the wealth of those who trusted them to make sure they get out, scot-free.

What kind of gambler are you? All in for the win, or a bet each way?

Taraz
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I remember during the last bull run the banks got scared and started firing out random scare statements. It's pathetic but also truly a sign that we are onto something!

Yeah... if you needed any confirmation we were on a pretty good path, this is it.

Exactly. The fear is real with them!

I read part of an article just a moment ago talking about the creation of a shadow economy, if they don't legislate crypto soon.

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Venezuela tried to legislate dictate a ban on crypto. Then they found out what it is and how it works. They got as far as tracing the electric bills of miners and confiscating their rigs. Last I heard the President owner of Venezuela has the rigs mining for himself now.

Sounds about par for the course for Venezuela

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It's practically there now. I think they well be scrambling to integrate and therefore control it but it's too late

¿The creation of a shadow economy?

Ha, oh no! they already have SDRs & CBDCs running and going on since long time ago without access to its early benefits by the mere plebeians.

They may well still have a long timeline of survival before giving up or they trying to convince us one more time to jump blindly into their by now twilight bandwagon without a chance of questioning them. };)

FUDDY DUDDIES :D

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Hehe, love it!!

Headlines like that make me think "fear mongering again!" The only thing the bank of England governor is on top of is his own interests.

As they say, "everyone works in self-interest first"

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Yet we still believe that they'll serve our interests over their own. 🤔 Well, maybe not all of us...

Has anyone told you lately you're good at these?

Well they should. Enjoy the rest of your weekend chap!

Occasionally I have been told, though I think that the best feedback is getting engagement on the posts and widening the discussions. I definitely feel part of some kind of movement toward something better in the world. Even if it is a small part that I play.

Have a good one mate. It is almost over here and back to work soon - but it is a three day week!

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When I read the word bank in a sentence connected to financial advice... I skip. I never trusted banks as their best interest is not to get you rich, but to get you spending money you don't have. I think that you are right when you say that the chances for the younger generations to get wealthy with traditional economy are lower and lower. Why not pick the alternative? It takes a bit of financial know how and a bit of risk in order to override the old conditioning of playing it safe as many people have been taught.

Why not pick the alternative?

I think that they are starting too, partly because of the hype (which is silly) and partly because they are starting to realize the odds are well stacked against them. Should be an interesting decade ahead.

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I think it will be interesting because some people might actually taste financial freedom if they invest wisely now.

It makes me think why anyone looking to invest in the financial world of the future would listen to the fearmongering of the financial world of the past. Of course they will be against crypto, it would take power from them.

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Seems pretty obvious, doesn't it?

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News headlines like this in which banking institutions or those governors warn of investments in the crypto market are promoted in all countries around the world. It seems quite normal for those banking institutions to create such warnings because they have lost a lot of ground once many investors have started to focus their funds on the crypto market. It is like a war where everyone tries to protect the ideas and interests of those groups they represent - This fantastic war is real and we are on the virtual front where we are trying to resist and deal with those manipulative and negative campaigns. Normally every investment (real estate, stock market, crypto ... etc) can be risky - attention, information and prudence matter a lot.

It is like a war where everyone tries to protect the ideas and interests of those groups they represent

Which side do you think represents the people the best?

Normally every investment (real estate, stock market, crypto ... etc) can be risky - attention, information and prudence matter a lot.

For sure. I wouldn't suggest anyone go all in on something - but I do suggest everyone goes in.

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Which side do you think represents the people the best?

It will always be the interest, that individual interest that will swarm around good or bad ideas.

Life has taught me not to keep eggs in one place. That's why I'm 80/20. Where, 80 is investing and 20 is investing in an airbag in liquid assets and fiat.

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Yep, I think this is a wise decision - I should do the same :D

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Nice questions you arise,I think that crypto is made for risk takers like gambler's with lot of energy.Another way scammer is always in search of your mistake to vanish them.It had happened with FaucetPay.io recently.

People get themselves into all kinds of trouble chasing nonsense. Don't give up your keys. If it seems too good to be true, it likely is.

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While, any possible means to earn legitimately online is a good call. This can't prevent crypto enthusiasts from accumulating on a truly non-custodial wallet application like that of https://atomicwallet.io/. Crypto should be legalised across the globe.

I happily found my KIN on atomic the other day - thought I had lost it! :)

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You can lose, or you can stay static, which will be a slower loss due to inflation and the increasing drive of automation that will cost jobs continually moving forward.

That is so thoroughly depressing when you put it like that x_x

It is super depressing, but it is also an opportunity to prepare for it, so that we aren't as impacted as we could be and, we will already be halfway along the road to the solution. Why wait til failure to act, when the failure is inevitable?

Because way too big and too impossible to fail apparently -_-

The bank might just have well said "Investors in Stocks and Shares should 'be prepared to lose all their money'".

It applies to anything where you are buying / selling goods or services. At some point there could always be a catastrophe. And it has happened in the past for both traditional finance (e.g. 1987 Black Monday - 22% drop in one day ; Great Depression in 1929 - falling 89% over 2 years!) and also for Crypto with Bitcoin recently dropping 27.5% over two weeks from it's all time high of $64,889.

So, yes, you could technically lose all your money in many different ways!

Yet people still put their money into "safe" investing schemes with stocks and shares at their heart. ISA's, Pensions, etc... Crypto is no different - people will always invest in what they believe in.

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The bank might just have well said "Investors in Stocks and Shares should 'be prepared to lose all their money'".

Correct. People look at the subject and nod their head without looking at it from the perspective of an investor who should always be ready to lose their money.

Great Depression in 1929 - falling 89% over 2 years!)

This is what the "Peaky Blinders" clip is referencing :)

people will always invest in what they believe in.

And the paradigm for what is believed in is slowly changing. People are waking up.

I think they really only start to get concerned when people are truly transacting peer to peer in a black market style economy. That basically comes with on only thing, true adoption, which is what is starting to happen now. The writing is on the wall for them now, people, the average joe is starting to get it that crypto currency and especially Bitcoin is the future. The amount of my friends who are finally starting to get into it is amazing.

I think they really only start to get concerned when people are truly transacting peer to peer in a black market style economy.

Just after I wrote this, I got a popup from an article (I think on blockfolio) warning that if the governments don't legislate soon, they will be giving rise to a shadow economy. I think it is further along than they think it is.

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Its getting there, its coming to an adoption tipping point. This is why im going into privacy coins, im expecting big things to happen in the next couple of years. One of them being Bitcoin getting knocked off its perch and losing its shine amongst certain demographics, while the price rises anyway. It could literally end up being looked down on in a big way amongst the black market like its the devil, and people wont want to touch it. Others ie mainstream finance yeah they will take it and bring in mum and dad.

Any recommendations on privacy coins? I have a little Monero that took a hammering after getting delisted from places like Coinbase and Bittrex, but I think it is springing back now.

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Amazing 🤗 one of the best contents of hive ❤️

Top 3 at least!

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