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The Rise of the Counter-Elite: How Peter Thiel Predicted the Trump Moment
The Triumph of the Outsiders
The 2024 election marked a profound shift in American politics, with the triumph of a coalition of "oddball Outsiders" over the establishment elite. At the center of this counter-revolution stands the figure of Peter Thiel - the billionaire venture capitalist, political kingmaker, and self-described "Vanguard of the anti-establishment."
Thiel was an early and vocal supporter of Donald Trump, backing him in 2016 when many in Silicon Valley shunned the then-candidate. Now, with Trump's decisive victory, Thiel's contrarian vision has been vindicated. The appointment of Tesla CEO Elon Musk and entrepreneur JD Vance to key administration roles signals the ascendance of this new, unorthodox power center.
Thiel's Prescience and the Collapse of Liberalism
Thiel foresaw this moment, arguing that the 2016 election represented a broader "collapse of liberalism" - a failure of the Democratic party and the progressive establishment to connect with the concerns of Middle America. He believed Trump's "Make America Great Again" message tapped into a deep well of economic and cultural stagnation that the political class had ignored.
"There was a way the intergenerational compact has broken down, the younger generation is finding it much harder to get their footing," Thiel explains. The Democratic party, in his view, had become beholden to a narrow, identity-focused agenda disconnected from the lived realities of working-class voters.
The Preference Cascade and the Shift in Silicon Valley
Thiel attributes Trump's victory in part to a "preference cascade" - a phenomenon where individuals, once they realize they are not alone in their views, become emboldened to express them publicly. This dynamic played out acutely in Silicon Valley, where Thiel was an early outlier in his support for Trump.
Over time, Thiel says, a growing number of tech leaders came to appreciate his "courage" in backing the president-elect. Companies began actively shifting their workforce away from the ideological monoculture of the San Francisco Bay Area, seeking more "productive" and less "woke" talent elsewhere.
"There was a way the intergenerational compact has broken down, the younger generation is finding it much harder to get their footing," Thiel explains. The Democratic party, in his view, had become beholden to a narrow, identity-focused agenda disconnected from the lived realities of working-class voters.
Rethinking Trade, Immigration, and the Role of Government
Thiel sees Trump's policy agenda as a necessary course correction, particularly on issues like trade and immigration. He argues that the prevailing free trade orthodoxy has created "incredible economic SKS and distortions," hollowing out the industrial heartland. Similarly, he believes unchecked immigration has fueled a "Georgist real estate catastrophe," pricing young people and the working class out of home ownership.
While Thiel stops short of endorsing mass deportation, he believes the Trump administration must fundamentally rethink the country's approach to the border and the social compact. "There are ways the incredibly open border has put an incredible stress on the social fabric in a lot of ways," he says.
The Perils of Populism and the Need for Institutional Reform
Yet Thiel also expresses concerns about the potential excesses of populism, warning against a "nihilistic" impulse to "burn it all down." He believes the real challenge lies in finding a balance between healthy skepticism of elite institutions and the need for functional, well-governed systems.
The collapse of trust in institutions like academia and the media, Thiel argues, has created a dangerous void. He advocates for a "course correction" in fields like science, where he believes an excess of dogmatism has stifled necessary debate and inquiry.
"There are ways the incredibly open border has put an incredible stress on the social fabric in a lot of ways," he says.
Thiel sees the 2024 election as a pivotal moment, marking the end of a political era defined by the "New Deal liberalism" and "progressive cult" of the 20th century. But he cautions that the path forward is fraught with peril, requiring a delicate balance between populist energies and the preservation of stable, accountable institutions.
As the Trump administration takes shape, Thiel's influence will loom large. His ability to navigate this treacherous landscape - harnessing the power of the counter-elite while avoiding the pitfalls of unbridled populism - may well determine the trajectory of American politics in the years to come.
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Here is a summary of the conversation in the form of a longform article:
The Rise of the Counter-Elite: How Peter Thiel Predicted the Trump Moment
The Triumph of the Outsiders
The 2024 election marked a profound shift in American politics, with the triumph of a coalition of "oddball Outsiders" over the establishment elite. At the center of this counter-revolution stands the figure of Peter Thiel - the billionaire venture capitalist, political kingmaker, and self-described "Vanguard of the anti-establishment."
Part 2/7:
Thiel was an early and vocal supporter of Donald Trump, backing him in 2016 when many in Silicon Valley shunned the then-candidate. Now, with Trump's decisive victory, Thiel's contrarian vision has been vindicated. The appointment of Tesla CEO Elon Musk and entrepreneur JD Vance to key administration roles signals the ascendance of this new, unorthodox power center.
Thiel's Prescience and the Collapse of Liberalism
Thiel foresaw this moment, arguing that the 2016 election represented a broader "collapse of liberalism" - a failure of the Democratic party and the progressive establishment to connect with the concerns of Middle America. He believed Trump's "Make America Great Again" message tapped into a deep well of economic and cultural stagnation that the political class had ignored.
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"There was a way the intergenerational compact has broken down, the younger generation is finding it much harder to get their footing," Thiel explains. The Democratic party, in his view, had become beholden to a narrow, identity-focused agenda disconnected from the lived realities of working-class voters.
The Preference Cascade and the Shift in Silicon Valley
Thiel attributes Trump's victory in part to a "preference cascade" - a phenomenon where individuals, once they realize they are not alone in their views, become emboldened to express them publicly. This dynamic played out acutely in Silicon Valley, where Thiel was an early outlier in his support for Trump.
Part 4/7:
Over time, Thiel says, a growing number of tech leaders came to appreciate his "courage" in backing the president-elect. Companies began actively shifting their workforce away from the ideological monoculture of the San Francisco Bay Area, seeking more "productive" and less "woke" talent elsewhere.
"There was a way the intergenerational compact has broken down, the younger generation is finding it much harder to get their footing," Thiel explains. The Democratic party, in his view, had become beholden to a narrow, identity-focused agenda disconnected from the lived realities of working-class voters.
Rethinking Trade, Immigration, and the Role of Government
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Thiel sees Trump's policy agenda as a necessary course correction, particularly on issues like trade and immigration. He argues that the prevailing free trade orthodoxy has created "incredible economic SKS and distortions," hollowing out the industrial heartland. Similarly, he believes unchecked immigration has fueled a "Georgist real estate catastrophe," pricing young people and the working class out of home ownership.
While Thiel stops short of endorsing mass deportation, he believes the Trump administration must fundamentally rethink the country's approach to the border and the social compact. "There are ways the incredibly open border has put an incredible stress on the social fabric in a lot of ways," he says.
The Perils of Populism and the Need for Institutional Reform
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Yet Thiel also expresses concerns about the potential excesses of populism, warning against a "nihilistic" impulse to "burn it all down." He believes the real challenge lies in finding a balance between healthy skepticism of elite institutions and the need for functional, well-governed systems.
The collapse of trust in institutions like academia and the media, Thiel argues, has created a dangerous void. He advocates for a "course correction" in fields like science, where he believes an excess of dogmatism has stifled necessary debate and inquiry.
"There are ways the incredibly open border has put an incredible stress on the social fabric in a lot of ways," he says.
The Future of American Politics
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Thiel sees the 2024 election as a pivotal moment, marking the end of a political era defined by the "New Deal liberalism" and "progressive cult" of the 20th century. But he cautions that the path forward is fraught with peril, requiring a delicate balance between populist energies and the preservation of stable, accountable institutions.
As the Trump administration takes shape, Thiel's influence will loom large. His ability to navigate this treacherous landscape - harnessing the power of the counter-elite while avoiding the pitfalls of unbridled populism - may well determine the trajectory of American politics in the years to come.