We can count Vitalik as one who is against the law in El Salvador that made Bitcoin legal tender while also forcing businesses to accept it. This is something that created a bit of controversy.
Many in the industry applauded the move but not Buterin. He took to Reddit to explain his stance on this.
In short his contention is as follow:
It is "reckless" to push this technology on people without prior education and leaves them open to getting hacked.
The fact that businesses are forced to accept Bitcoin goes against the core value of cryptocurrency i.e. freedom.
Also citing freedom, he took exception to them only singling out one cryptocurrency, Bitcoin when others actually provide better technology.
He took exception of the authoritarian stance the government took, something that goes against cryptocurrency's libertarian values.
Finally, he called out Bitcoin Maximalists:
Buterin also further singled out “Bitcoin maximalists” as the ones “responsible” for creating hype and uncritical reception of the Bitcoin law’s implementation, saying that the crypto community should be more vigilant about such a large-scale, and possibly highly impactful law.
Turning To Government For Implementation
It is always an odd situation when you think about governments strong arming people into using cryptocurrency. This was something from the start that was bound to create some controversy.
One of the issues that many in the cryptocurrency industry have is how governments behave. The fact they operate by force, using their guns and jails as means of ensuring obedience, has been the subject of many discussions within the cryptocurrency community.
Of course, Buterin is right. Suddenly, when the threats are to our advantage, we are in all favor of the force being applied. It is the epitome of "the end justifying the means".
Such hypocrisy is nothing new. May feel that voting is a form of violence, especially since the person elected tends to commit violent acts through the use of force. Nevertheless, many, even those involved in cryptocurrency, run to the polls each time, celebrating when their candidate wins.
Nevertheless, cryptocurrency adoption should be based upon the merits it provides and not come from the power of governments. This form of violence is obviously not sitting well with Vitalik.
There is the other issue of how well the law works out. If it does fail, it could be a set back for cryptocurrency acceptance.
Counterbalance
There is the counter view that this only serves to balance out what is being done against cryptocurrency by governments. In this battle, it is required to have some allies to go against those government forces that seek to do away with cryptocurrency.
Certainly, this is hard to argue since we see those forces all over the place. Probably the best example is China. That country is making it perfectly clear where it stands regarding all aspects of cryptocurrency.
That said, it does appear the more the Chinese crack down, the more the industry (market) responds. Overall, I think most would agree that action against the miners was a good thing since it decentralized the mining from a geographic perspective.
We also have the debate of how much of a shutdown can there be of cryptocurrency. With mining operations, the government can follow electricity usage to get a hold of mining equipment and take it away. It can also go after exchanges. However, when dealing with the peer-to-peer nature of the technology, can they really go after individuals?
This is something we are going to find out over the next couple years. Since governments around the world are going to be tightening regulation, it is going to be tested to see how much out of reach cryptocurrency can be. For those projects that are truly decentralized, like Bitcoin, it is likely that they cannot be stopped.
Ethereum As Legal Tender
Would Vitalik have such a view if it was Ethereum that was chosen as legal tender instead of Bitcoin?
This is hard to tell. Perhaps he is just butt-hurt that his creation wasn't the one that got selected. Of course, from a financial perspective, no harm done since it is likely that Ethereum, and by extension Buterin, will do very well over the coming years.
Perhaps he is coming from the perspective that he would be true to his principles. Much of this does go against the values of many in cryptocurrency.
So what are your thoughts?
Do you agree with Vitalik and his stance on this? Or do you believe he is whining about something that is very beneficial to cryptocurrency and, thus, the world?
Tell us in the comments below.
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Although I agree with him that the system should first teach the people what cryptocurrencies are and how they work, but for this question :
I think "No"
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I don't want to oversimplify this debate, but at the core, I see the dichotomy between those who are in Bitcoin or blockchain in general because of what it represents and those who are in it just to make a quick buck and willing to change for any other thing that could help them to do that.Ethos vs Profit in a nutshell.
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That is true although some who are in for the long term could be driven by the bucks.
I dont think Vitalik really cares about the money but there are many (I would say the Winklevoss Twins) who are long term builders who are after the bucks.
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While I do support blockchain, Vitalik does raise some very interesting points there that cannot be brushed aside simply because of the hype.
I don't think this would really be any different than former U.S. presidents trying to re-establish a system that put money in the hands of the people (like the green back dollar), but since one of the primary functions government assumes authority over is commerce, so if people are going to turn to the government to issue money wouldn't it be better to use something universally accepted and stable (by comparison)?
Hi @sinistry,
You actually raise an important point of view, which I hadn't considered.
I agree that this function of currency falls within the purview or power of government. I think it's interesting irony that a technology built for freedom is being mandated.
It makes us pause to think, what does the government already mandate and is this mandate within it's scope of powers and societal norms or is it different.
If this were any other currency change, would we object as strongly?
Goodness gracious, this forum is amazing in the delightful points of view which are from a 360 degree sopectrum around an issue.
It really makes the statement...
... valid.
Thanks,
@defigeek
P.S.
Love your name. In English it's an interesting amalgam of "sinister and ministry".
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English is my native tongue and I chose it for specifically that reason. 😁
You see, my mom wanted me to be a minister, but I like all the fun sins, so I’m meeting her halfway and preaching those. 😜
Ha HA HA..
Love it.
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I think there is a passage here that hits the nail on the head. Many speak out against the banning of crypto through force but rejoice and endorse the forceful application of it.
This is nothing new and can be found right across the globe simply replace Bitcoin for sugar, tea and even windows back in the day in England (I'd suggest reading about the window tax)
Unfortunately the dominant side always wins and then when they do they use force. If we look at Australia that has had crypto legal and the ability to use it as a currency to purchase items no one has taken it up.
Infact businesses are developing services for markets abroad.
Crypto or real world, there is no difference.
They also get to write the history books.
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Yup, like the saying goes. If you want to know the truth about your country, read what other countries write about you.
While I mostly agree with his (Buterin's) points, I think you hit the nail on the head with your comments about pro-Bitcoin government officials trying to offset anti-Bitcoin government officials. This has to start somewhere. There was never going to be a day where everyone woke up to all cryptocurrencies being deemed legal tender. There really can only be one. At least at the beginning. Who knows, maybe if and when Bitcoin becomes legal tender around the world and on-ramping and off-ramping become easy, and cross-chain interoperability is a well-established reality, THEN maybe other cryptos can join the party. But there is sooo much ground to cover between there and where we are now it just seems like this is a first step in the right direction, regardless of it's flaws.
Like I said, he makes extremely valid arguments although I would say businesses aren't being forced to accept Bitcoin, rather they're being allowed to accept it. Maybe it is a little aggressive but it's not a whole lot different than a lot of other things governments "force" businesses to do in order to stay viable.
I DO think he's right in the fact that we need to stay vigilant. It can be a slippery slope when the government gets involved. Just look at America and the way the left is turning citizen against citizen by encouraging people to "report" their neighbors if they disagree with their schools curriculum. Seriously, the DOJ and FBI declaring soccer moms and dads "domestic terrorist threats" while they have let people from over 150 different countries cross our borders illegally in the middle of a pandemic. This isn't bias. These are just facts. People need to pay attention to what our government is doing, on ALL levels.
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I have a feeling Vitalik would act the same as the current BTC maximist if ETH became legal tender. However his basic premise of being wary of regulation is true. I am wary of any laws made because most laws tend to benefit the powerful and rich.
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Hard to tell. It seems he is one it was never about the money. With all the ETH he owns, he is going to make bank anyway. If he isnt a billionaire already, he is pretty close.
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I wonder who is supposed to pay the transaction fee if you buy a loaf of bread with bitcoin.
That law is definitely problematic from a political point of view and vitalik doesn't seem like a person who would push for that law if it was about ETH instead of BTC. He might complain less about that "only one crypto" part, though.
I havent looked close enough to see how they are actually implementing it. I would imagine they are probably using something like Lightning Network but I cant say for certain.
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Hi @antonym
You raise good practical questions.
Any software implementation should try to anticipate these variables. When you combine humans and code, there are suddenly exponentially more moving parts and issues. So beta implementations are built on remedying such issues.
Fortunately, the Lightning Network is an amazing piece of code, which is built to provide high speed and low cost transactions in satoshi. Thus it is purpose-built for such aa time as this.
By the way, I champion the technology, but not the coercion.
DefiGeek
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Love your name, going to your blog now.
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This implementation of bitcoin as legal tender in El Salvador holds many questionable points. From where it is implemented and by whom, as well as how it is implemented. Of course, as you remarked, Buterin enjoys coming out with these ethics concerns, since he represents the rival 'tribe'.
Hi @gadrian
I agree, the technology is available to do this, but just because we can, doesn't mean we should. Crypto is about freedom, so the Way we get people to adopt technology on board is as an important How as the software code.
Humans need choice.
Vitalin Buterin SP?
As for VB, While it's god for crypto influencers to speak out against coercive uses of this technology... I agree he should tread lightly, due to clear conflicts of interest.
Humnas are complicated, in some ways more complicated than the code they create to improve and simplify their lives.
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I do agree that the Bitcoin law should have been rolled out with more education about Bitcoin, Lightning Network and cryptocurrency in general. But this also gave the opportunity for companies like IBEX to capitalize on becoming the Bitcoin educators. Here's a chat @khal did a few weeks ago with Esteban from IBEX in El Salvador:
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Hi @taskmaster4450
As much as I welcome a government embracing Bitcoin, I agree with Buterin. This should have been a declaration making Bitcoin Legal tender along side the dollar. I believe freedom is indeed a core value of those who embrace Bitcoin and other cryptocurrency. I feel that choice is an important freedom, and it was removed by this law.
I also agree that imposing this technology on the people without education makes them vulnerable to theft and accidental loss of their Bitcoin.
I agree with your other theme, that some of us are swift to embrace authoritarian behavior, when it supports our goals, and that is the epitome of hypocrisy.
I know life is not black and white, and there are shades of gray. But I think this law was clear; no freedom, no choice.
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This controversy reminds me of stories about what went on in this part of the world century or so ago. You could see rather unpleasant sight of gendarmes using bayonets and rifles to make peasants' children go to primary school. Such measures, no matter how brutal they looked, actually made those children's and their parents' lives better by allowing them to learn basic skills like reading and writing.
On the other hand, those same gendarmes would later arrest and beat those same children if they caught them writing the poem critical of government.
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