You can butt in anytime @Bigtom, you know me and that's what we're all here for isn't it- to talk, to learn to share and discuss.
And that's another thing too, you're absolutely right- most people won't/don't want to change until they absolutey have too.
I didn't stop smoking my very tasty rollies until I had my first heart attack at 38...so I think that it's the slap in the face that people need- the big wake up call...tough love some call it...