You couldn't blame someone for not keeping up with all the changes in this community. Firstly, the Communities feature was rolled out on STEEM, and before we knew it, we all had our bags packed and were heading to our new home on HIVE. I wonder, have any conventions arisen amidst the chaos?
Steemit established a fairly widely adapted etiquette convention, but as things continue to evolve here on HIVE, I have some questions!
What even are we?"
"Steemians" became the de facto definition of a STEEM blockchain user. I suppose it does sound better than Steemer. But what about on HIVE. Are we Hivers? Hivians? Hivish? Or just... bees? And are we still minnows, dolphins and whales, or has that changed to larva, workers and eh, Queens?
Communities & Cross Posting. What is acceptable?
The Communities feature reinvigorated my interest in the project, but I'm still exploring the communities paradigm. It's my understanding that one can only post to a single community at a time. Though one can make a unique post with a link, to "cross post", perhaps only if cross-posting is welcome in that community? We can "reblog" to our own pages, but not to communities, right?
Posting To Steemit. Cool or?
How do people feel about those who post duplicate articles on both Hive and Steemit? My gut reaction, putting loyalties aside, was "who cares?", but then I thought, original content is one of the main contributors of value to HIVE. I'm still not sure how I feel about this. I'll remain on the fence until I hear some arguments from both sides!
Newbies will need some guidance on all this stuff..
I don't expect there will be 100 consensus to any of these questions, but very interested to know peoples thoughts. This is not just random musing by the way. I've set up a community especially for Hive newbies, and plan to provdide them with a broad ranging FAQ, including some guidance on etiquette & conventions: "Hive Culture" if you will.
Please feel free to pop over and get involved. The newbies of today are the star influencers of tomorrow. Let's nourish them, with our, eh, honey?
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The prohibitions against copying and pasting are driven by Googlebot and other programs that monitor the origins of content.
If a person copies and pastes from SteemIt to Hive or visa-versa, Googlebot will penalize both sites for the duplicate content. (This does not happen with esteem.app and peakd because sites accessing the Hive Blockchain have an established system for identifying the source of the content.)
People who drop the same content in both platforms are hurting both platforms.
So, it seems to me that both Hive and SteemIt should discourage people from dropping the same post in both platforms.
I hope that @cheetah and members of the Hive Cleaner team start downvoting content copied and pasted from SteemIt as they would from any other source. I've been tempted to do that myself.
PS: I am still participating in both platforms; however, I put different content on both blogs.
For this post on PeakD, the HTML contains:
<link rel="canonical" href="https://hive.blog/hive-174578/@condra/hive-etiquette-and-conventions-are-we-approaching-some-clarity" />So yeah it seems like PeakD is pointing to hive.blog as the canonical location for the post. But there really should be a post-level option for which URL to use as the canonical link. This would allow content posted on Steem or Hive to pick one location as canonical to avoid being penalized by search engines.
Thanks for reporting. I did some improvements to better handle this in the next release ;)
Since STEEM and HIVE are different blockchains, I would not expect there to be any coordination between the two.
As for the rel=canonical links, I believe that they are trying to handle that at a programmatic level. The canonical is set to the platform that generated the post.
The comments are a complete mess because comments can come from a number of different sources. IMHO, comments should be treated as extensions of the parent. The blockchain seems to treat them as separate posts.
Things that appear on the same blockchain can be handled programmatically. Stuff that appears on two different blockchains cannot.
Rather than creating a complex system to accommodate people who want to post the same stuff on both forums, it would be better to discourage the practice.
What if I want to use Hive to cross-post content from my personal blog, as a way of permanently archiving the content? I think it's shortsighted to think that all text posted to the blockchain should exist solely on the Hive blockchain.
I agree here, comments can inherent the parents canonical URL provider.
Sorry about taking so long to reply. I decided to a answer the question by creating an example.
IMHO, one should design the work flow so that one's personal site is recognized as the canonical source.
So, what I did was write an article on my personal web site. I then wrote a post using PeakD which links to my personal web site.
Although the PeakD post and my site say essentially the same thing, I simply used different wording for both posts.
I want to use different wording on my post to prevent Googlebot from demoting my personal site for having copy and pasted text.
Because the PeakD article has a link to my article, Googlebot will recognize my site as the canonical source.
Another way to do this is to create a stub article on your personal site. Write the HIVE post with a link to the stub, then finishing the stub article. Regardless of the work flow, you want the text to be different so that Google does not demote your site for duplicate content.
I will now go to an unnamed social media platform that shares some similarities with HIVE. I will quickly type out a post with a link to my article.
I will end up with three articles pointing to my article. Each article has different text and Googlebot will love me.
The problem with using a personal site as an archive is that HIVE has a higher PR rank than your personal site. So, when Google sees that you copied a bunch of text from HIVE, it will ding your personal site. If you want an archive on your personal web site, you should block googlebot from reading the archive in robots.txt.
Take a loock at the actual comment from
f83e92172197bdf3b88556740feedd68034a868dto see the codeblock content.@steempeak @peakd, you have a bug where you're messing with text in code blocks. Preformatted text should be left alone!
cc @asgarth
Perhaps a bot to leave a comment on the hive post.
"We've found similar content on the Steem blockchain. Posting the same content to both chains reduces search engine rankings for all posts on both chains."
Actually the peakd team could add it to their front end, instead.
@jarvie, is this worth considering?
When I wrote my reply I was thinking about written words in the comment.
So, I started thinking about images.
It would be interesting to have a shared image repository for both blockchains.
Quite frankly, I don't think Googlebot tosses out penalties for shared images.
larva, workers and eh, Queens
and great job setting up a Community for NOOBS!
I was hoping someone would do that!
Great to have you on board :)
We have had a community for new people for quite some time, it is called @theterminal (formerly @steemterminal). Old school community members and witnesses like @thekittygirl, @wesphilbin, @crimsonclad, @c0ff33a, @jamerussell, @drakernoise, @brittandjosie among many others are very involved.
There is a daily post by @heyhaveyamet which introduces new users on the platform which is published on HIVE, has been since HIVE's inception. Also, @theterminal spends a great deal of time answering questions, assists new users with delegations, creates accounts for those in need holds contests and encourages new users in their blogging and vlogging giving guidance and advice on best practices.
It is fine that others are setting up these types of communities. The more the merrier! I just wanted to make clear that there are a good many of us that are passionate about retention and have been for the past few years non-stop and have been working with new members on both STEEM and HIVE.
Not a fan of STINC, but I for one will not abandon the STEEM community no matter how misguided I believe them to be to stay with that blockchain. (Yes, I am also on the STINC censored list, but I still have a little STEEM to vote with until my power down is complete).
Thank you @sgt-dan for the shout out, after so long being the terminal for help its great to see recognition
It already existed , in @theterminal both account and discord , and @heyhaveyamet
Is there also a Theterminal Community set up for people new to Hive? If so, maybe we should all combine forces into one community?
I suppose is always better post different content on Hive and Steemit. I understand why people post same content on both sites, at the end is about going easy and do less work.
BUT we should have to be able to post different content or simply decide we're should be our new home...
Greetings.
To me, one can share his articles on both platforms. Original content doesnt mean you cant share your content elsewhere. Tictok is growing increasingly and yet you will find some tictok videos on instagram and many other platforms.
i would like to support with information this space you're doing, if i found the th e time i would be updating my last tutorials which are right now obsolete
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