Hi @por500bolos,
@keys-defender creator here.
for some reason it occurred to me to wonder if all this New Feature of the @keys-defender Bot was not commissioned in some way by the very same opulents to cut out rewards from the pleb
nope lol, no one commissioned anything. Just a poor bastard dev thinking of doing (for free) something I thought was cool and helpful.
It was actually a feature request and anyone can ask for new features on my discord, there's a public channel for that.
So you think re-posting your own content is ok? Eg. I publish a post, I get $5 reward. I want more so i delete it and re-post it to make some more bucks because other people see it. Not really cool, is it? Sounds like exploiting the system to me.
Good on you for being the way you are. Here's a song I find reminiscent of our kind who do the right thing even if we don't get paid big bucks for it.
You say it's doing "the right thing"... I'm wondering why you think that? I'm not saying you're wrong or right. Just curious about your reasoning.
the right thing = serving the greater good
I consider much of what I do would be technological facilitator for people that desire to counter the reward potential of spam and other related activities.
This activity had been more or less centralized in the past and think it's good to have more people involved and also rewarded for partaking as the activity does not come without inherent risk.
How could you possibly have objective knowledge of what "the greater good" is? Isn't what is or isn't good just a subjective valuation? And even if it's a majority opinion, it doesn't necessarily make it correct. I personally think downvoting someone for plagiarism or identity theft is good, but I think downvoting someone because they repost their own content is not. It's just being a Karen.
I totally agree about the decentralization of Hives "self moderation". I think it'd be better if we just let individuals moderate on their own. With their own subjective valuations. And get rid of these centralized groups of moderators that go out and downvote people because they believe in some "consensus" about protecting the rewards pool.
In full honesty I used to support SFR(I believe that is your project, correct me if I'm wrong) and I'm pretty sure one of my good buddies is still active in that group. It was the hardfork that made downvotes free that changed my mind. I saw jerks like Marky and MMMKKK311 going around bullying people with their downvotes... all supposedly to save the blockchain from "abuse". I'm not a fan of censorship... that's one of the main reasons I left legacy social media for crypto social media.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply.
You touched on a number of topics which I would like to address. I'm going to be finishing my shift and will be back.
I appreciate your former support. Yeah I don't really associate with either of them so can't really speak towards their conduct.
Ok, I see this thread of replies initiated by @gaottantacinque first comment are a bit messed and hard to follow and reply orderly.
So, I hope that my long-ass general reply below can clear up most of the concerns and doubts about what you've all been raising throughout the debate in this part of the thread.
In any case, I can see that @derekrichardson has done already an outstanding job deploying, pointing out, highlighting and responding to your questions with the same splendid and eloquent arguments that I would have done it myself from the opposite side of the fence.
This short comment is basically addresed to @anthonyadavisii.
As for @hiveblogshare, @hivetrending & @enforcer48, they all obviously deserve their own individual reply to each one. :)
Thanks, glad to see someone appreciates my work :)
Sure, I'll take a look. Adding it to the feature-requests channel.
I think I'm missing something here - why is it that you think those accounts need to be monitored? With the exception of @hiveonboard, all the accounts mentioned are simply accounts run by regular ol' Hive people like myself (meaning, not witnesses), and we're trying in our various ways to help promote the blockchain, help new users, foster connections... you know, the stuff that helps grow our community. 😊
And even though @hiveonboard is a witness (@roomservice), he's someone who's done amazing things to make the onboarding of new users "normie" friendly, so again... I'm a bit lost here as to what it is that's worthy of watching... but hey, everyone needs a hobby I guess, right? 😝
In all seriousness though, while I don't mind in the slightest being scrutinized, I'm just trying to figure out what nefarious thing you think I'm/we're doing. 🤔
Introducing #HiveBlogShare + a few Twitter tips . You're welcome to shout out to me here, on my personal or HiveBlogShare Twitter accounts, or Discord.Oh, since I haven't actually properly introduced myself (my bad), I'm @traciyork & this is the post I wrote months ago about my intentions for this account -
Last thing - I think Cranky Gandalf would be an awesome band name... 🤣
I was wondering that as well... @hivetrending is my buddy. Like you said, I'm sure he's not scared of the scrutiny... he's legit the shit. Oh.. and you're @traciyork! Shit... I've known you since way back. You are an amazing advocate for Hive! Both of you super are legit peeps IMO. While I agree with some of the points made, I actually think the OP was getting a bit on the wild conspiracy side... and for whatever reason he tagged you guys and quoted me.. and got me all dragged into this debate. lol.
LOL. I am very confused. Hope your kitten is doing well, Derek!
Hahahaha! Tell me about it. Who is @por500bolos and how did he get us into all of this?! I enjoy a good debate... just wasn't really expecting to get into it today. lol. The kitten is doing great!! I was getting a little worried because she hadn't pooped in over a day, but she dropped a nice log today... oooops... TMI I know. lol.
The funniest part is everyone here wants to debate me about other things in this post and NOT actually what I said in the quote... believe it or not it hasn't come up once in these comments.
Haha, excuse me if my sarcasm went way up over everyone heads. Actually neither you nor @hiveonboard, @HiveLift, or @hivetrending have nothing to worry about. :D
Again, nothing to worry about. :)
plebeians who eventually and suddenly will find out that they are not welcome here by the 'opulents'In fact, there is nothing to scrutinize nor any nefarious thing that I or anyone else thinks that you are doing. The only reason that I mentioned @hiveonboard, @HiveLift, @hivetrending and @hiveblogshare, is specifically for your great initiative & efforts to try attract and onboard new according what I've already revealed using the eloquent words of @derekrichardson if these new recruited peasants dare to re-post a blog. Hahaha
Yeah babe! I agree. :D
And I think it's just a shame that you didn't catch before the humorous irony and sarcasm of a Cranky Gandalf for having included your cool projects and initiatives within the context of my criticism towards those who really ought to feel alluded to.
Cheers! and continue with the good work.
Dang it! I thought my irony detector was on the fritz - I better do something about that, pronto...
And thank you for the clarification, as well as the kind words,
Cranky Gandalkgood sir! 😊Sure mate! At no time did I want to criticize or discredit your great work. It's just that your post with the announcement of the bot update with such added 'unpopular' New Feature, it served me as the perfect excuse to develop my critique and complaint toward the true underlying general problem in a deeper way on the subject we are now discussing. Important subject which is basically what says the quote from @derekrichardson that I selected and i've included in the body of my post. :)
I think reposting my own content is 100% ok. It's MY content. And I'll do what I want with it. People have the choice to upvote it or not. Or even downvote it. The only problem is when people like you go around bullying people because of your subjective opinions about what is and isn't "exploiting the system". And really... if it was "exploiting the system" then it just shows that the system is flawed by design. But I think it's fine and the people that worry about it just don't understand that this blockchain was originally made to be free for anyone to post anything they want, whenever they want, as many times as they want. That's why people come here.. not because they want you to censor them in the name of "saving the rewards pool". Just sayin'.
It's the CURATOR's vote. Maybe they don't want to reward people who repost half the times?
Ever thought of that?
Of course not. Your freedom > everyone else's
Exactly! It's the curators vote to make... or not to make. They can say... "I've seen this post 100 times already I don't want to upvote it anymore!"... or they can say "I love this post so much I hope I can upvote it 100 more times!"... who is anyone to tell them otherwise? It's their HP to use as they wish. Don't try to think you know what is best for other people.
Then, don't judge him for providing a tool for those who don't want to vote on repeat content.
Most curators do not like to do that.
For sure. That's fine... but the line you quoted and were responding to was me saying that it's MY content and I can repost it if I like. And I (same as you) believe the curator has the choice to upvote it or not... or even downvote it. So... at this point unless you are gonna claim that there is some reason I don't have the right to post MY content whenever I want and as often as I want... you gonna have to pick a different quote to argue against.