Yeah, 100% behind that. A couple of thoughts of which I'm not so sure.
What do you think of smart curation bots who leave an AI comment instant of what we are used to right now with !LOL or !BEER
What to do with AI writing tools, I have a strong idea that those will be as comments as word correction pretty soonish and they will phrase/rephrase for us. Shouldn't we endorse those to increase the level of written content?
AI Pictures & AI Art seem uncopyrightable as intellectual property. Now people claim they modified the left cheek and now it's their original art, well I find it difficult to argue, but of course, The Alien Art Hive Community is doing that for years already. Any thoughts about those?
My last thought would be, that I wanted to see an AI Dev Community popping up on Hive for a long time already. Most of that ppl aren't Software developers but rather run a rented server or have a potent system to play with and add some scripts on a shell. It should be fine for them to share their progress under the correct taggings.
AI-enhanced or completely AI written Content has been on the Chain for more than a year at least. When I started calling out accounts, none seemed to care. In my opinion, the Downvote and Reputation system "as a system" has miserable failed us, but there will be AI Content Attacks on Hive and we might want to get in a position to see them coming and use the tools we have.
lots of questions here, and if I do justice to all of them properly that will be several posts, but let me try. This is my personal opinion obviously:
Curation bot comments: I don't like them. I think they are spammy and they make my contents comment section ugly. That said, I don't vote them. Since hive is decentralized I can't control them either. So I have decided not to care.
I am against AI to assist text writing in general as they are not original
Art is a difficult subject. As you have said AI art is "uncopyrightable as intellectual property". This has been decided. So people can use it, even without citation, and there is nothing wrong or unlawful about it. Again, to be it is all about reward, do I vote such a post that only has AI art in it. I don't. If it is mixed with some original content, depending on content I might. I often do.
I am aware of AI developers. At hive, as a content generation tool I personally do not support them
I will not further inquire, since you've been forthcoming and answered all of my questions.
Ha, we're at the front line, aren't we? We're going to find out first if and how it's possible to fend off AI 'attacks'.
I don't like them. I think they are spammy and they make my contents comment section ugly.My opinion is:
It let's me track if someone is misusing curation project that are under my management. We are building a better alternative like tipu but till then spamming comments looks like the option to track. (Your post has been curated by "curator name")
Example:
25 people can vote from an account then how to track who voted what? Who broke the set standards?
Also, we already have a solution to "click to reveal" for comment curations. Don't seem like high priority. Personally IU, Discovery-it etc comments are muted by me.
Hive is about people, and stories - not how good they are at grammar.
I do! And would have, had I seen it. IN my community, I'm quick to mute anyone who isn't writing original content.
Hive is Blockchain, the Hive community is about a bunch of things. Original Content OCD Style is the most significant part looking back? Not sure.
The most significant parts are the communities themselves and Splinterlands so far. Meanwhile, the communities are 98% of the time in Discord.
Just giving you a reality check here. We're all part of these ideas surrounding Hive. People and their stories shared in an old-school blog format are one of those.
I'm open to arguments, representing my very subjective pov.
Plenty don't do Discord. Plenty. Or, they use it minimally to attend to admin matters. Used to use I all the time and run a massive community there. I don't anymore and avoid it like plague. Many believe Discord is a waste of time and we should be on chain. Threads is a good part of making that happen. I hope.
Interesting stat, 98 percent. Where did you pull that from?
Speak to any curator on Hive, who form a massive part of how content is supported and rewarded here, and they'll tell you original content is everything. Gaming and other ways to earn on the Blockchain are separate from blogging. Of course OC blogging is only one aspect of HIVE, but that's the part curators of blogging content are concerned with here.
I'm not sure what you mean otherwise. What are you trying to say here?
I'm not anti AI. Just anti it being abused to milk the system.
What I'm saying is:
The Hive Blockchain is not a webapp, what web2 access point are you using for these comments? PeakD?
Here's the latest post of dalz:
https://peakd.com/hive/@dalz.shorts/comments-on-hive-are-up-durning-a-bear-market That's a lot of comments, I can't do the footwork and compare it to all the Discord channels in action. It's very unlikely that 98% is anywhere close. For some very active Hive Discord users, it's closer to 99.9% and for people such as you, it's the other way around.
Fair is fair, do Hivers exchange 35 million Messages per Month in Discord to create the 98% ratio? That means 13.5 Messages per Second across all the Discord Channels. Wow, well, it's not impossible but highly unlikely, very very unlikely.
Oh so you are saying a lot of a activity isn't actually blogging? Sorry, having trouble understanding what your point is. Yes, that's true of course.
Yes, Peakd.
Sorry I'm struggling to see how this relates to reward pool abuse by using AI to write majority of blog. My bad.
Yeah exactly. Money can always be broken down to trust. Hive Value = Trust in Hive. So the way to interact via Blog was obviously the first entry point. But there's more to it.
It's obvious to me that if the usage of AI helps users to strengthen their bonds and interactivity, the community will become stronger and the Hive Coin Value will therefore rise. That's me and I is only subjective, but the argument against AI-improved content feels to me like a Disney Movie - but the animals can't speak to each other. A chat room full of people from across the world and the admin turns out the auto-translate to English, because of maybe valid reasons. Instagram deleting all Filters for Human Portraits, because it's inauthentic. Do we sacrifice to the holy lamp or are we still cooking?
I can't answer that yet, also I don't have to, because I'm not a community leader. Different Communities will take different paths and in two years, we will be able to compare by looking at objective truth. That's part of the human experience, the Future is speculation, and the present is a very thin layer tainted with subjectiveness, the truth can only be found in the past.
I'll get back to this later - going for surf to clear head after hot night.
Back. As passenger on way to beach 😂
There is no objectivity in the past, either. By nature, we see the world, present and future and past, via a social and cultural lens.
I understand you are trying to make it clear that any view is a personal and subjective one, that's clear, but it obfuscates your actual point, which appears to be that we can't make blanket rules about AI without consideration of broader implications and nuances of AI use, which is also a given, and something curators and community leaders are also well aware of.
However, the nuances aren't the issue. The purposeful, dishonest, blatant use of AI to write content with clear intent of gaining rewards is.
Most curators believe that if that's the kind of person you are, there is no place for you on Hive. This helps protect the integrity of the chain, as we don't want outside users looking at Hive and saying 'oh it's all AI content' just as we have tried for years to curb shit posts and plagiarism for same reason.
The abuse part is not what has to be discussed, the very definition of abuse has to be adjusted. From word correction by Grammarly to AI rephrasing your written Blogpost down to getting full posts from Bing AI and just rearranging for personal preferences. What is abusive and how can we detect and fight it?
Do we all want to get rid of malicious actors who try to abuse us? Hell yeah.
I think the curators are pretty clear on what AI abuse is. I've been talking to them in Discord to confirm 😂😂😂
It's actually more black and white than you think.
Grammarly isn't really the issue.
Case in point. Guy write a post about how to grow lettuce. Used AI photos of lettuce, non attributed. I checked by putting 'how to grow lettuce' in chat gpt. Almost same.
Not original human content.
Guy writes a post about how to grow onions (are you seeing a theme here?). I argue with him for ages about the fact it's AI. No, he says, I used Grammarly. Eventually he admits he used AI but it was his idea. What part? The part where he put 'how to grow onions' in ChatGPT. Sigh.
Thanks for this interaction btw, love it.
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