Look, I know the vast majority of you get this. But I'm not satisfied with the number of people entertaining this absolute BS as if it's even in the realm of reality or should be taken even in the slightest bit seriously.
I'm going to make this as simple as I possibly can for people.
You've all used computers before. You know every application has "Save" and "Save As...". Save saves your current changes and after a save you still have only one file. Save As... assuming you use a new name will save a new file, even if there are no changes, you will still have two files. Two locations. Two pieces of individual information.
With open source software anyone at anytime can create a fork. I could go back to HF16 and start a new chain from there. I could fork the code right now and send all the tokens to myself. I could fork the code and send an equal amount of tokens to everyone. In all these cases, I wouldn't be "stealing" anything from anyone because I'm creating something new. No one bought my Midlet Coin. Since it's based on the blockchain where you have an account, if I chose not to edit that data, maybe you have been GIVEN some new tokens, or not. Maybe you wouldn't. Especially if you're a lying, chain destroying, psychopath. In this case, I may not want you having any influence on the new chain I created.
Blockchains are databases. They are also ledgers, meaning information is only added to them. They are decentralized in that multiple people all around the world are running the same database.
A Non-Contentious Hard Fork(upgrade) is when the software that is the blockchain changes and all the decentralized nodes running that software all update to the new version.
In a Contentious Hard Fork(Chain Split) Some people decide to run a NEW branch of the code, creating a NEW, SEPARATE, INDIVIDUAL database, which also in the case of Cryptocurrencies, creates a NEW asset.
This is what Hive is. It is a NEW asset(obviously).
The only reason this ridiculous narrative is floating around is because Hive is VALUABLE. If I created Midlet Coin or Equality Coin, they probably wouldn't get much support. Money is a belief system. It has value because people decide it has value and people's evaluation about how valuable it is is something changing constantly.
Nobody cared about not being airdropped Whaleshares. Was the PAL claimdrop theft? What about the LEO airdrop that was based on the PAL airdrop? WTH? How many times have I been robbed over the years???
Please do not entertain this nonsense and call it out for what it is. I know some people might be genuinely confused, and feel free to educate them. But I guarantee, the folks from Steem understand what I've stated here. They are not confused. They are criminals trying to obfuscate and muddy the waters of their crime.
The latest Steem HF is theft. Plain and simple. If Justin Sun wanted to respect people property, but also wanted to purge all the people he deems toxic, he could have made a NEW token, and distributed THAT on Steemit.com. Then he could disempower the whales on his new asset, have a new, arguably better distribution, minus of course, his controlling stake, which a surprising amount of people don't seem to care about anyway though. Old Steem would be abandoned and people could dump it freely letting the free market decide it's value.
When the first person BUYS a token. If you then take that token from them, you are taking their property, but no one is ENTITLED to a new asset that you create. That's pretty easy to grasp isn't it?
Anyway, I'm annoyed to be writing this. I feel like I'm probably in a bubble and everyone already knows this, but on Twitter especially and recently even here on Hive I'm seeing this, so I felt this was necessary.
Enjoy the rest of your Memorial Day USA peeps. Catch you all in the next post.
Plain and simple, perfectly explained, I don't understand how this can be so difficult to understand for some people. Now lets look to important things, can we change the witnesses voting system for avoid having a JS 2.0 on Hive?. Please.
Some changes have already been made. Now when an account powers up Steem, they can't do governance voting for 30 days. This alone stops the same issue from happening on Hive that happened on Steem, but I definitely think we can keep improving as time goes on.
I posted on steem that i'd be moving my blog to HIVE, and the post is completely censored (at least on one account if not both). lol!
Fuck Justin Tron, Ned and CZ. All of them.
Wow...even in my worst case scenarios of the worst possible outcomes of Justin Sun getting involved with Steem, I could not have predicted this. What a shitshow.
I'm not a blockchain guru and I don't completely understand what happened but my question is, could the same thing happen to Hive?
if you mean takeover by one man, it is possible but not that probable. No one owns 70M hive, and to buy that off the market would be really hard if not impossible and most probably really expensive as the price would go up a lot.
Real option that will most probably not happen is Exchanges teaming up and powering up users funds. when 30 days wait period to vote witnesses is added exchanges powering up to try that would be in the domain of crazy, because they would have a public shit show for that 30 days, and no one wants that.
Thanks man.
After two months it is time to finish with the air drop bull, and get on with the governance of Hive block chain with the past firmly in the past.
Couldn't agree more, but that's not really an option if you happen to be one of the people currently getting robbed.
Also I think it's bad PR for HIVE moving forward if the narrative is..."Oh well, both sides stole from each other, it was tit for tat" Which is what's trying to be crafted online. That story is damaging to this community and everyone's investment here. It also happens to be a flat out lie.
If people want to say this all started with freezing the Steemit funds, that's at least debatable. But it's not debatable to say that Hive was 'stolen" from people.
There was no theft in the creation of Hive as you pointed out quite clearly. I do sort of disagree on the final separation, I think for Hive to grow it really does need to settle the final case load of air drop challenges and then call it done. People that are interested in moving from steem to hive and were excluded from the air drop have had sufficient time to apply for the airdrop. Their accounts are already here for them to use and there are a few who are only using hive, have been powering down and moving over.
I have no knowledge of when Hive was created, if it was from the freezing of the funds or not, or if it was even started by anyone involved in the freezing of the funds. That was done by witnesses, how many witnesses were on the Hive Creation team? I don't know and to be honest it really does not matter to me. What does matter is Hive moving on and putting Steem behind it, and standing 100% on its own. It can not do that with the specter of Air Drop claims still on the books, the books need to be cleared and they should be cleared ASAP.
Yea, I agree on this. I know that some of the people excluded are receiving their drop via the DHF. They just need to apply. Nothing is holding back anyone from making their proposals to receive a drop at this point.
You are correct. A new asset was created. It used existing resources, but Hive is not obligated to give 1:1 to all unconditionally.
I think a lot of people arguing that not airdropling is theft are confused.
Those who didn't get it, I understand they are upset. Maybe the others are worried, or have some motive.
POSH
HIVE is a continuous chain, not a new one.
Hive fork happened at #41818723 block. How do You explain the HIVE asset existed in previous blocks? In #41818722 we can see the witness got rewarded in HIVE. This means this asset was created much longer before.
Let's look at Hive very first block #1. It is from 2016!
So HIVE is STEEM.
Witnesses narration is wrong and more and more people realizes it by now. There was no an "airdrop" thing.
HIVE as the longest-blocks chain is the natural Steem inheritor community look at. Many people wallets got zeroed for no reason - they existed in the chain and everyone can verify this at hiveblocks.com
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how blockchains work. Under this logic Bitcoin Cash is Bitcoin and doesn’t exist. Bitcoin SV is also Bitcoin, same with Litecoin. All of these are Bitcoin forks. This is one of the most basic concepts not only in crypto, but just in open source software development. It’s not some nebulous new concept.
Do some research and learn for yourself how things work before buying into people false narratives.
Forked coins are much different to airdropped coins. Airdrop is when moving funds. This is what Byteball did to every Steemian in 2018
https://peakd.com/steemit/@punqtured/official-byteball-airdrop-to-steemians
You’re not supplying any technical basis for what you’re saying. You’re just saying “It’s different” It’s not any different. Forks are completely new assets and using an existing userbase as the jumping off point is useful because that increases the chance of adoption because as I stated in my post, money is a belief system. If more people hold a token, it’s more likely some will value it. If someone is attacking the network and you fork as a response to the attack it’s completely nonsensical to give the attacker tokens. It defeats the whole purpose.
In the case of STEEM, there was no chain split. They modified EXISTING tokens users bought and paid for. That’s a completely different story and if you don’t believe me believe the lawyer that’s said as much on chain multiple times.
Anyone who doesn’t get this shouldn’t haven’t an opinion on the matter.