Are you sick of people dealing with plagiarism, impersonation, shit-posting, circle-jerking etc? Those of us who opt to do that get plenty of flack. I have been flagged by some big and small accounts for giving a shit. Just look at Steem now to see how bad it could be. Before the Hive fork it was better thanks to people who cared enough to act.
Everyone with a stake in this thing gets some say in how it operates. I will never say that my actions are what everyone should do, but if you are happy to get paid by this magic money tree then it's up to you to decide if you get a fair share.
Why put everything in quotes? Abuse does exist here as generally in the world. The developers develop and the witnesses witness. Most of them don't make much money from what they do. Others do make some and I may not agree with them.
In this specific case there will be people who recycle content, whilst not admitting to doing it to milk rewards for no extra effort. A tool to detect that has value in my opinion. Whether people act on it is another matter.
Speaking of flack caught for cleaning-I was accused of being a racist and they made an account just to make a post to call me a racist.
All this after ignoring the death threats from the plagiarist which escalated to racism and threats to rape my daughters. Of course.
And all I did was refer his account to Marky for skipping the blacklist-because he bragged about finding ways to skip the bot.
But yeah, totally a bad thing to want to cut down on the amount of shitposting, plagiarism and
SPAM
Yes. It’s spam to repost the same shit hoping for rewards.
The fact that you whine about getting flack for being a dick to people is funny. It's called blowback bro. If you dish it out expect to get it back.
Marky... is totally a dick and 100% deserves all the blowback that I know he gets.
Plagiarism is fraud so I'm all for downvoting it... but "shitposting" and "spam" is subjective valuations with no objective measure. And no I don't trust you or anyone else to find a supposed (yet truly non existent) "consensus" on what is objectively good or bad behavior when posting on Hive. If you don't like a post feel free to downvote it, but don't think that everyone agrees with what you're doing. "Cleaning" is not some noble cause... it's getting your kicks by being a jerk. Straight up.
Aaahhhh I get it. You’re Venezuelan. You feel entitled because you lack the initiative to throw out the communists and work for a living. (Remember the 90s when Venezuelans decided they didn’t want to go to work anymore and “gimme free stuff?”). I remember watching Venezuela fall into chaos and even as a child I was like wow what a bunch of idiots.
Bueno, marico, sin trabajo, no eres nada. Una mano vacía debería ser un estímulo suficiente para trabajar. La culpa por tu situación es tuyo.. No es de nadie mas. El “jerk” es TÚ y solo tú.
SPAMMING no es trabajando.
Venezuelan???? It says right on my profile that I'm from California. That's in the USA just FYI. You're an idiot. lol. And I am 100% capitalist. Anarcho-capitalist. But I can speak some spanish... I'm not queer... I work very hard... and I don't appreciate your baseless shit talking.
Make a real argument with substance or go piss off.
He's not that.
@steemseph I confused his entitled ass whining with the op
You're just confused... period.
I see. I do that too sometimes. Mockery, I understand.
Sure it is subjective, and I'm subjectively using my stake as I see fit. If someone else thinks it isn't spam they can upvote it. If I was a jerk, I'd flag you for being a rude idiot, but I don't.
What I downvote is plagiarism, spam, or some type of abuse, I could downvote far more outside of that scope but I choose not to.
That's all good Marky. I got no problem with you having every right to downvote whoever you want. That is the right of everyone with a stake. The point I was trying to make earlier(although this convo has become quite derailed) is that there is no real "consensus" on what is ok or not ok... ya I know the "defenders" like yourself like to think that your opinions are the consensus, but it's just not true.
So your saying I am not allowed to have an opinion and use my stake as I see fit?
So, you are forcing your will on me.
That's pretty much the opposite of what I said. Did you even read my comment? I said do whatever you want with your stake. It's YOURS!! lol. Just don't act like you have a "consensus" on what is good or bad behavior on the blockchain. It's your opinion and you can have it. But that's all it is.
You said me using my stake as I see fit to downvote people who I feel are abusing is a problem for you, so basically you have a problem with me using my stake as I see fit, and thus telling me how to use my stake.
I never said there was a consensus anywhere, please show me where I did.
Trust me. I know!! lol. I will NEVER upvote Marky. Thank you @aixsp.
Lol “being a jerk”...you sound guilty AF
Let’s take a look
Take a look bro. I'm a nice guy. You... on the other hand... just made a bunch of mean and totally baseless accusations about me. I don't need to "take a look" at you... I've already seen the JERK you are.
Yeah, well you might as well go there. I confused you with the OP. You're so lazy that you feel entitled to spam us and are angry when we get tired of it and do something about it lol
Same mindset, same crying, same old same old. I’ll take a look at your account too. There’s always a reason people act like this. It isn’t just “let me do what I want.”
Once we take away the rewards for being here, half of the time the scammers and plagiarists actually leave.
Oh and yeah, @themarkymark is such a jerk that he specifically went out of his way to upvote posts from a user because she is from a poor country and getting nothing if appreciator doesn’t curate. So she throws an epic tantrum that he gave her a $2 vote because she wanted to gamble for that $12 vote. And even after that huge insult he continued to vote for her. Such a jerk.
That just makes Marky sound even more stupid than I already knew he was. That fucking asshole downvoted my dying friend who was living on Steem rewards... she's dead now. @fuckthemarkymark!
You confused me with the OP?? Are names aren't even close. You crack me up. More baseless accusations... I'm "lazy", I'm "entitled", I "spam". Lol. I'd love to see you back any of that up with an actual argument!
What mindset? Who's crying? And WTF is the "same old same old"??
PLEASE go look at my account. You'll realize how wrong you are.
I looked at your account. Nothing exceptional there.
In fact you are SUCH a jerk that you felt you had to downvote my comment that had $0... because that's "saving the rewards pool" right?? Get over yourself asshole.
No King assigned you to be the Hive police. Any flack you get, is on you. Sorry Steve.
In case you haven't noticed Hive doesn't need a king or a president. It's more like anarchy with maybe some elements of socialism. You seem to think I am upset about being flagged, but I accept it as part of the game. Nothing to be sorry about.
I have invested time and money in this platform and so I feel I can vote as I wish. In some cases I will work with others to deal with what I think does the platform harm. If you had seen how bad some of it is I think even you would accept it is shit.
Peace and love :)
I'm pretty sure I agree with everything you just said. I just thought that you complaining about "getting flack" meant that you were a little upset about the retaliatory downvotes... if not why would you even bring it up? Everything else I agree with 100% and never said anything otherwise. I'm not really even sure what exactly you're arguing against at this point?
I'm not arguing, just stating facts. I was part of SFR for a long time and still work with them. Abuse exists on Hive and some of us choose to deal with it regardless of what you and others think about it. You do seem a little obsessed with the topic judging by the number of comments you made. Oh, and I think @themarkymark does a lot of good for Hive. I don't envy him for the flack he gets. I've not suffered death threats, although some guy did get a bit nasty.
C'mon Steve. "Just stating facts"... ya the facts that you are arguing are true. That's called making an argument. It's ok.. we can argue and still be friends.
"Abuse exists on Hive" ... ok ... define what YOU mean by abuse?
I'm actually not obsessed with this at all... first time I've ever really voiced my opinion about it. I just happened to get quoted and tagged in this post and so here I am.
You can think whatever you want about Marky... but I know what a POS he is. His "flack" is just what happens when you go around being a jerk.
Abuse can take many forms, but it largely comes down to taking more than you give. e.g.
It comes down to judging each case. If I think the rewards are not justified and have not been given by an engaged community then I may consider it worthy of a downvote. I want rewards to go where they are earned and this is why the platform has downvotes (see white paper). I see the Blurt fork does not have downvotes, so we shall see how that turns out.
I can guarantee that Hive would be pretty shit if nobody was downvoting. Luckily the big accounts are generally doing a good job of that. There are some rogue whales and cases where it gets out of proportion. I would hope people could settle those issues and find compromises.
Hive can never be perfect and the freedom is a big plus point, but without vigilantes it will never achieve its potential. I think we should each use our votes to nudge it in the direction we want and not purely in self-interest.
It's a big experiment that I have got a lot out of. I have met so many interesting people, many of them in person. I have not met Marky yet, but I have had good dealings with him so far.