Logiczombie hasn't done anything wrong, except question why he was getting downvote nuked. That in turn led to more downvotes for calling it out.
If you are going to proceed forward with 3Speak I don't see how you can have your account follow a downvote trail that occasionally nukes people unjustly and also promote the Free Speech at the same time, if you follow someone's trail you are implicitly agreeing with what they choose to downvote. Even if your downvote is a small % of the downvoting that happens, the trail you are following is sometimes nuking people unjustly. I say unjustly because sometimes it is just.
I write this comment not to attack you, but to point something out. If you don't have time to investigate why each thing is downvoted for the downvote trail you follow then you probably shouldn't follow that trail. I personally have only ever downvoted people who were scamming/plagiarizing/posting/death threats against myself and our team.
We as a community need to be more accepting of smaller downvotes and find a way to counter "nuke" DVs that target people relentlessly to zero.
I would not agree with that generally, I would if it was against people scamming/plagiarizing/posting/death threats/things not tagged NSFW when they should be. We don't really have a Haejin type situation anymore who is self voting themselves now that its 50/50 voting. Any post that is considered over rewarded last month is 2x to 3x more rewarded this month and nobody seems to care now. The whole over rewarded mind set should be done away with, unless someone is specifically doing something malicious like I mentioned above, it really doesn't matter how much their post earns(I mean the whales who upvote the trending page upvote color photo challenges and food recipes for 200 USD all the time, nobody downvotes those ever).
The ideological downvoting is going to come to an end because we can already negate most downvotes at this point, we are growing our group to have more and more HP. We have over 500k HP behind our group right now and I'm just getting started. That's only the people who upvote follow us, there's people like @enki and @xeldal with over 2 mil HP total who come in and upvote stuff too, as well as yourself sometimes and others.
Appreciate what you are doing for 3speak, also would appreciate you examine what's been going on with downvote trails being abused and remove any downvotes from @logiczombie.
Thanks Dan.
I agree.
Thank you for posting this, for supporting the free thinkers among us, and to @xeldal and @enki.
A few of us creative writers have lost curation because of our views. We can't earn much anymore, even on posts that are free of the types of views that are being downvoted.
The biggest upvote I ever got from @enki was zeroed and that has bothered me ever since. At least I know there is big accounts supporting me, but its unsettling to know how many free thinkers have been downvoted on Hive.
My first inkling of just how abusive downvotes could be was when I got in the middle of two whales, and a poem that I was extremely proud of got a heavy downvote. I myself had done nothing to either of those two, and the poem was about hawks. Now I sometimes don't post what I want to post, for fear of reprisal. I'm self-censoring, which of course is the purpose of downvoting content - it squelches posts with that type of content. Insidious censorship.
Thanks for the upvote on my comment :)
If you would like to help our project grow please consider delegating 500 to 1,000 HP to @informationwar.
The more delegations we get the better we are able to upvote reward people who post in #informatonwar #deepdives #politics #news etc.
Thanks!
I agree.
I am almost scared to check to see if I'm being downvoted or not. I've been on blacklists before.
AWE-sum
@r0nd0n I knew it was all your fault.
rondon made a GREAT comment here!
I'm not blaming him of course...
but he chose his avatar and I had to use in context!
HIVE!Regards
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
We are all watching, aren't we...
The issue here is that if you follow a downvote or upvote trail, that trail will eventually do things you dont agree with.
It's really time consuming to personally get everything that is upvoted or downvoted. The informationwar has upvoted stuff before that we had to later remove the upvote, but everyone who follows the trail also has to remove the upvote which they have to manually do. They usually dont remove it as who has time to be on hive daily.
That can create scenarios where people dont know their power is being used to downvote stuff they wouldnt want downvoted(or upvoted).
Lately the downvoted people are responding back, which creates bad PR for the downvoters and headaches to deal with theh didnt previously have to. Any bad PR with downvoting on Hiveis bad PR for decentralized and or free speech movements, there isnt any way to explain ones self out of it.
I think the best thing for most situations is to not join a Downvote Trail. The old ways of people being downvoted by huge amounts or nuked and accepting it are over, ideological downvoting has consequences. Some of the top witnesses will start to see they arent so high up as their support is eroded by the people they ideologically downvoted. @logiczombie and others are banding together and getting the word out to people to unvote the witnesses who downvote things that arent spam/illegal content/plagiarized content/etc.
Nobodies reign lasts forever and some of the top 20 witnessed could lose their spot just by asking 1 or 2 people to stop voting for them. Nobody is going to put up with this stuff any longer, this is a 5 year old chain and we need to move past ideology based downvoting permanently.
Which is exactly why i am downvoting anyone who thinks the downvote utility is working.
The downvote is broken, and its VERY OBVIOUS it needs to be acknowledged IMMEDIATELY, before long term damage is sealed into the chain for ever.
Burning the downvoted rewards would be a much less bias approach to downvotes, instead of returning the rewards to the pool, we burn them so the biggest payouts dont benefit from downvotes.
I can get behind that.
Delegate to @logiczombie or just follow him with your votes as I did if you want a show of force here.
We upvote him previously with our 500k hp curation trail.
nicely done!
Thanks for the upvote on my comment :)
If you would like to help our project grow please consider delegating 500 to 1,000 HP to @informationwar.
The more delegations we get the better we are able to upvote reward people who post in #informatonwar #deepdives #politics #news etc.
Thanks!
I am powering down all hive until the witnesses start acting like individuals, if I can't vote for 20 unique individuals who do not share a collective interest, I don't plan on using this mafia blockchain, the conformity is sickening.
If the witnesses do manage to diversify in real time, real world acted out fashion, then I will potentially return my stake.
Until further notice I will just be cashing out 100% of what I make due to the time I wasted getting downvote.
DPOS is a volatile and dangerous governance for a blockchain.
Deep Dives will be coming out soon. I've talked with V4Vapid just yesterday about it for 3 hours.
Its coming as a second layer for DD AND IW content.
Dont give up yet!
Here's an idea.
I had 12,000 HP before I rage quit over hives downvoting issue.
If you could Peg the value of my vote, as that was my main purpose to have staked hive, to the equivalent of my highest held Hive Power. Then that would incentivize it for me.
You could potentially do this for all people, offering them a share equal to the largest sum of powered up Hive that the account had ever held.
You would be buying back the lost vested interest in Hive, from people who were committed to the idea and likely just left due to down voting. I know at least 5 people who just vote on Hive and have upwards of 25,000 HP, they don't post because whales downvote them.