This is the best I've seen you say it.
Childish actions. Yeah. They are sometimes. 90% of adults are still children, us included I think đ
I totally agree with everything you say here man. And I almost feel bad pulling you in to have this debate again. I know you deal with a lot of bullshit and bust your ass for this chain. I only hope you can understand where they are coming from when they get angry and you can stay calm and sympathetic yourself. It's a lot to ask but great power requires great responsibility and all that.
If all the downvotes were always this reasonable and patient about these disagreements i doubt this would be an issue. When I see the 100% downvotes that come in a few minutes before payout I can only feel it's a malicious move and that's one of the things that prompted me to write about this. That and the fact that eventually I want to see more of an effort to create mechanisms to decentralize influence a little bit more than where it is already.
I'm already really impressed with the progress we've made up until now and you were right a few times when I was wrong (I'll always remember I fought you on 50/50 curation and it ended up having a positive effect)
Thanks for responding and I feel like I understand where you are coming from a better now. I really feel much better after reading that. I wish the downvoted could feel that but I think their suspicion of larger stakeholders doesn't allow them to. Oh well.
You probably mean in the last day as a few minutes before payout they would have no effect. I don't agree with downvoting on the very last day but then again not too early either as then they love calling it censorship from trending or whatever. Truth is downvotes aren't incentivized at all and only come with an unending amount of drama if you attempt to explain them and other retaliation and bad things so it's not like you sit there waiting for the best time to strike, more like you take some time to find those posts you feel could use less rewards and happen upon an author once a week or once a month so you just hit whatever overrewarded posts they may have then. There may be people who place them on autodownvotes at a certain time which isn't that bad either unless someone beats you to it and you end up taking too much. There's been a few times I've downvoted certain posts and another downvote landed on it after turning the rewards to 0 so I've had to unvote but it's hard to notice these things so we could use better tools for it. There's been some talks about incentivizing downvotes with some sort of rewards but that's going to be difficult as receivers of downvotes will look for any reason to call them foul, even now they like to say it's so you get more curation or post rewards even though they're spread literally with the whole platform and maybe at max make a 0.001 hive difference on your returns.
Let's see if some people come up with some better solutions, I've been a proponent of people experimenting with this on l2 but not too impressed with most l2 tokens to date. Most seem like moneygrabs where you have to buy in or the owners receive a ridiculous share early on.. as if they didn't learn anything from Steemit...
I definitely jumped the gun when I first looked into the social side of Hive. I saw someone fighting for free speech against the "oligarchy", I was on it! After learning more, I understand now that this was a knee-jerk reaction. I've found all kinds of efforts on here that I didn't realize existed and they are run by the "oligarchy." I will be ending my proxy and redistributing my votes based on who is doing the most for Hive as I did originally before jumping on a proxy.
A lot of people just donât know what they are doing or how any of this stuff works. I was like that for two years. I think There are even second layers that are just thinking âitâs easy, why not?â I mean I almost considered it for cross culture but I donât have the time or energy to manage that and I think most of my team doesnât have the particular skills or know how for it.
Also in general, There is a lot of mistrust for large stakeholders and people feel like itâs so hard to get into certain peoples good graces. DPoS is a complicated power dynamic. Itâs sometimes difficult for poor and rich people to be friends in society. Itâs even harder when the rich people can give you a piece of the inflation with a vote. All kinds of strangeness. Iâm not complaining. I love this place. But itâs new and imperfect. We are still figuring it out.
Sure but many of these have been around for years, it's not like I'm judging newcomers for overreacting to downvotes. Not that many get downvoted either, it's a very tiny percentage but they are loud as fuck for obvious reasons.