If you've been following along, you'll know that we have yet another whale war on our hands. It's not unusual to have whales be at odds with one another. It's happened many times since 2016, and I suspect it will continue. This particular whale war involves 2 accounts that each have over $500,000 value in their wallets (and more, if they have multiple accounts.) There is no point in naming them again, because there is no point in hearing the incessant, "I continue to abuse because I have been abused."
At some point, people decide to end the cycle of abuse with their own actions - or not. Justifying your poor treatment of others by pointing fingers at those who hurt you is just bad behavior. Yet, I'm sure both of them feel that it is their right to do whatever they wish with their vote.
It is. It is absolutely their right.
What is unfortunate, is that sometimes when whales can't inflict enough damage to each other, they have to widen their circle of damage to increase the noise - and that will spill all over into the many people on Hive who are just here to share content, earn crypto, have fun, and generally mind their own business.
I proposed a solution that involved creating a helper account supported by the DHF for $35 a day - because as you can see my wallet is worth hmmm around $4683 and change, at the time of writing this post.
I didn't think I could afford the $35 a day, and so I proposed a potential solution. The idea was that if you wanted to receive support, you needed to give support. As I stated earlier, I cannot both pay people to do the admin work and provide rewards. So I suggested that anyone who would like to be eligible for support could add a 1% beneficiary reward from their post rewards to the helper account, and also a 1HP delegation, to make that support be publicly listed on the account's wallet.
For anyone who was a LARGER account with MUCH more HP, they could choose to be a major supporter and add 1000HP to the account to help boost its voting power.
While that might seem like an astronomical amount to some people, one of the whale accounts that I mentioned has nearly 1.5 million HP in one account.
1000 HP is 0.00067 % of that wallet's HP. It is fairly negligible to that wallet, but added up with others from the community - it could have had a great effect in the voting power of our created account. Not to mention the boost of community good will wanting to add back some of the positivity on Hive.
But after reading some of the concerns in the comment section on the post, I thought it is probably best to just leave it alone. It seemed the DHF was unlikely to be used for the community in this way, and it also seemed that it was too risky of a proposal since people would have to trust me to do the job well, and there was no guarantee that I would. Let me say here, that these were not accusations, but merely attempts to find holes in the proposal to make it more attractive to the community, and therefore more likely to pass. I was not offended, but I did decide that I would simply toss the ball to a more skilled player.
A lot of people came to me privately (which again, was sad, because some felt that they weren't knowledgeable enough to speak without being attacked, and some were just afraid to be targeted by whales for speaking up... geez.) and asked me to please reconsider. I stated then as I'm stating now, I do not have the $35 a day to support it myself, and I won't put people in a position where they have to be uncertain about being compensated for work that they will do, when no one else will. Then @samsmith1971 had a pretty brilliant idea.
What if we just absorb the costs by DreemPort?
We would need people to vet posts, but DreemPort already has screeners. What if that would be the only pre-requisite: that the post would have to have already been put through DreemPort in order to be eligible for our help?
Ok. Well, that's interesting. Let's think about this...
What about the weekly posts with the data compilation?
Well, it's privately funded. Since we wouldn't be using any of the community money, there would be zero need for us to report anything. Just like the whales can downvote indiscriminately without any explanation needed - because it is their right. Would it not be our right to tip someone's wallet as we saw fit?
And now no one has to worry about trust, right?
Right - because they either come to us for help, or they find an alternative solution. There is no need for anyone to feel any obligation for anything. They can go wherever they're treated best. We very much support that!
What about the delegations and the upvote power of the helper account (@oopseedaisee)?
That's a nice thing to offer, but we can just upvote with what we have. If it's depleted, then it's depleted. They can still see us upvote on the account as a supportive gesture and know that we're spreading joy and trying to build positive bridges. (as @wesphilbin always says)
And what about the $5 per day for rewards. (which is what was proposed, but from what I'm seeing around the blockchain will IN NO WAY restore what has been removed) Well that's $150 a month. That's a lot of money, but I can do my best to make the sacrifice.
Because that's what it eventually takes, right? Someone willing to just say - ok, I'll sacrifice to help others. So, let's try it.
And who knows... if it's going well, and I need more support, maybe I'll just powerdown my account and support others with it.
So what will it cost them?
Read 5 random posts, rate them, rank them - before you're able to submit your post for others to read the next day. We call it "pay-it-forward curation". (For those who don't know)... DreemPort lets you control the visibility of your own posts, so when you you do "work" for DreemPort, you're working for yourself and helping others too. No more waiting around for someone to "find" you while you write post after post daily, feeling invisible. We will see you, and send more dreemers to you! It's up to YOU to write well enough to KEEP them there! so... good luck future dreemers!
Thanks for this awesome spin on the idea @samsmith1971. It is truly a win/win/win/win - and 4 wins means dreemie-approved! hehehe
If you need help - COME ASK. Tag me or @samsmith1971 - we're usually around! You can also find us in our very quiet discord 😊
Sacrifice to help others? You have no idea how it makes me laugh at the complainers who come into Ecency Discord complaining that they don't get boosts but when I look in their wallets they have not delegated a single bit of HP to Ecency to help voting power grow, and they have not supported any other communities either. There are givers, and then there are takers!
The way the world goes... I'm fine with it
not gonna lose any sleep over any stress. just doing something and then seeing if it helps! lol
and if it doesn't, that's perfectly fine and we will see what other solutions percolate.
or not lol.
This is a good plan! I hope it works out! ♥️
we are going for it! hehehe
thanks for the encouragement Melinda!!!
@dreemsteem...
We are always looking to go somewhere... yes? Whether in our daily lives, or here... on our blockchain. We could take many things; road, boat, or train. But I envision bridges. In doing so... I felt the need to act in a positive way... so #buildingpositivebridges... seemed catchy... make some coasters or something 😂.
But getting back to the topic of this post... nothing to joke about. The proposed actions that you have set in motion... accompanied by transparent, and tangible checks, balances, and requirements... mnothing short of outstanding...
Thank you, for continuing to be a positive, and constant reminder. Of just what can be done... if we put our minds to it!
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we are gonna try Wes!!! that's all we can do 🥰
Dreemport to the rescue!!! This is a brilliant idea and something everyone can get involved in. I love it so much!!!!❤️❤️❤️
DreemPort ATTEMPTING to come to the rescue! hahahaha
we will see what unfolds lol
I'll get my binoculars
Actually I think Dreemport is going to lead us all into rescuing those who need it ♥️
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Hm, now there's a thought, but you should not have to use your own personal funds for this, even though there are no major supporters. This will definitely require a lot of thought, it is a cool idea.
well we could wait for that to never happen. LOL
or...
I can just lead by example!
I'll choose the latter. 😉
I do agree with you, @dreemsteem! It's all about making a decision.
We see this in everyday life all around us... People will come from abusive backgrounds... Some might have been abused physically, some might have grown up in a family with alcohol and/or drug abuse...
Yet, as they grow up, we see siblings from the same family making different choices... one will continue and follow the same habits of abuse with the excuse "That's all I know...I have been abused myself..." versus the other one coming from the same family who would say "I've had enough of this! I have seen what this does to your loved ones and even other people around you. I will not follow this way".
I think this is a similar situation. Being a victim of abuse in the past, shouldn't lead to claiming the "right" to continue in that way by abusing others, but rather developing a responsibility to change the environment surrounding you!
It's a matter of choice! Will I remain a victim and continue to abuse because I've been abused or will I learn from what I had to endure and choose to take responsibility, making the world a better place where I can?
I think @samsmith1971 has a great idea! Let's go for it! This will give us all the opportunity to make this a team effort!
that's right ..
victim or victor
I choose victor. whatever anyone else chooses is completely up to them, but being a victim forever is only going to drain your life and all the people around you that you continue to sap energy from.
blech....lol. it's just gross in my book to be an energy drain. I know we all have our seasons of draining people (and ourselves) but at some point, kick the habit and start taking responsibility for your own actions and choose wiser.
but some people really don't know how, and that's ok. maybe if those who do know how lead by example in bigger ways, it starts to catch on?
I have no idea. I just know we are gonna try this and see what happens!!
If it doesn't succeed exactly the way we hoped? that's ok....cuz something more can come later that piggy backs off of our idea...or others!
I welcome it all... anything that helps is good!!!
Even if it doesn't succeed exactly the way we hoped, that's fine, as long as something good comes from it. Even a little, is better than nothing!
I agree!!!! so we try hehehe
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Me parece interesante la propuesta aunque no la entiendo por completo 😳.
¿Cómo funciona Dreem Port?
¿Es necesario un registro aparte?
Agradezco que hayan pensado en una forma de reducir los daños.
@roxjavin...
Hello, dear friend! Take a look at this post, for information on Dreemport!
¡Hola, querido amigo! ¡Echa un vistazo a este post, para obtener información sobre Dreemport!
@dreemsteem
@samsmith1971
https://peakd.com/hive-150329/@dreemport/how-do-i-use-dreemport-its-easy-
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Muchas gracias
Sí, te registras en https://dreemport.com
Hay videos tutoriales y puede cambiar los subtítulos a español para seguirlos. 😊
Diariamente, hace clic en EARN DREEM y luego en "Curate"
Aquí se le darán 5 publicaciones aleatorias para leer.
Determina si quieres aceptarlos o rechazarlos. Si ve una publicación que parece no tener suficiente contenido escrito, rechácela. ¡Cuanto más seleccione, más familiarizado estará con el sistema!
Después de leer y aceptar/rechazar, se le pedirá que mueva las publicaciones en la pantalla en el orden que desee.
Top- mejor publicación para ti
Publicación con menos me gusta.
Cuando estés seguro, envíalo.
Luego puede hacer clic en EARN DREEM nuevamente y luego hacer clic en "Enviar" para enviar su propia publicación para la curación del día siguiente.
Si lo envía el viernes, estará disponible para la curación del lunes, ¡ya que alentamos a nuestros miembros a descansar el fin de semana!
Estoy usando el traductor de Google para esto, así que tal vez si estoy cometiendo un error, @palomap3 puede ayudarme! 😂
Muchas gracias 🫂 voy a ver los tutoriales.
de nada, amiga 🤗
Whale wars forced a good friend of mine and a poet to leave this community. Reblogging as contribution to your cause.
Sorry to hear that. It can be very discouraging for new writers to get early downvotes but I always hope that they will stay and write more. but ..I understand people wanting to leave where they're not wanted also!
Yes. But this was not a newbie... We met on Steemit before transitioning to Hive. It was sad to see him so defeated and it is always scary for my kind to say something as nothing is better than being left alone by downvoting whales!
ive seen many older accounts get tired of the situation and leave .. I don't know your friend's situation so I cant speak with any confidence on it... but I really hate to see people giving up because they think there is no hope.
I wish there was just a blanket solution to it all, but humanity is anything but easy to solve.
and Hive is just a microcosm of the world at large.
sometimes we just need a break and then we come back with a different mindset and new energy.
Why not do what the Hive Ghana guys used to do to help fund their work before they got official funding? Which was writing regular updates about what their project was doing, including stats, etc. I'm guessing that over the month, a daily post would bring in at least that $5 and maybe even more :)
You're right, @samsmith1971 did have a brilliant idea :)
How about major supporters get a special frame, Dreemerge card, and featured post? And maybe a special title in the server?
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yeah you know!!! That's an easy way to get support from people - just having posts there to upvote. But I really want to be sure that we're adding content that is not just a report. And I'll have to give that some thought.
So until I get that idea that feels like something that's a win win win win... hehehe I'll just kick in the rewards from the start!
And - we won't even do the general support and major support now. No need. I'll supply whatever I can give. If people want to add - they can add any amount they want. and when they want to take it back - they can take back any amount they want at any time. There is no need now to use the delegation list to see who is publicly supporting the initiative - because DreemPort serves as that now! so that saves us a lot of time, hassle, writing, reporting - all that. No need because its privately funded and we can use our votes and tips as we see fit!
If people want to receive support from us, they simply have to support us and each other by partnering with DreemPort in curating posts genuinely! hehehe
seriously... banging idea from @samsmith1971
How about featuring the helped posts, in much the same way as The Inkwell and Scholar And Scribe features exceptional posts? With a nice quote, description, etc? OCD and Curangel do consistent posts of the content that they support, and personally I look through it sometimes to discover authors.
nah... that is done often, and there are so many of them out there. I'd like to do something different and interesting... and... you just gave me an idea. LOL
LOLOLOLOL literally as i was typing this - a new idea popped into my head
i just have to ask.. DO I HAVE THE TIME for it LOLOLOL
BUT HMMMM... interesting interesting. now you're getting the same response I gave Sam when she came up with her idea. LOLOL well - we'll see what happens in this brain of mine hahahah
I've heard you described as a force of nature before, so I have no doubt that something wild and fun will soon be coming from your brain! But do we need to take cover???
ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLL ill sound the alarm if i reach category 5... hehehe
🤣 that'll give us just enough time to get a liferaft!
I've heard you described as a force of nature before, so I have no doubt that something wild and fun will soon be coming from your brain! But do we need to take cover???
happy to be there Wes!
Found a way to make it work?
@samsmith1971 did... hehehe
and it might not be perfect - but we doin' it. LOL
I somehow knew that would be the result.
well i wish you would have told me!!! LOL
cuz after the response to the 2nd post - i was like - ok, so I AM clearly not the person for this. LOLOL
and i was AOK to just leave it to someone else to take the ball!!! lol
when Sam first said it - it just simmered for a bit, before i thought more. then when I was sharing it with two of my teem members - i was like.. wait.. and then , and then, and THEN??? like we can do this!!!!
I'm still not sure about the $5 rewards daily - i mean - i'm sure. cuz i'll have to pay for it. hahahaha but i'm not sure how to make it sustainable long term. but that's the least of my worries. I'll powerdown and use those rewards first - and then when that's gone, I can just package it up and say - anyone else want to take over? cuz here ya go! lol
I just do not want to rely on rewards report posts for curation upvotes.. and all that. nope. nah. someone planted another idea in my head today - or a part of one and i spun off of that. i just dont know if i have the time for it. this week i have days off to figure it out. next week - life goes back to intensity. so either i figure it out this weekend and run with that. or i just use my own money to fund it.
----> does not care.
----> getting it done.
LOL
hope you're having a great week so far! well, it's almost ended - hope you HAD a great week!
I just meant ideas that get picked apart usually get put back together a different way. That's how this place has always been. Except now a lot of people are confined to their own social circles and communicate elsewhere. Your post says people are afraid to talk but they shouldn't be. People always talk here and that's how things get done. Everyone makes their own decisions. We all hear things we don't want to hear sometimes.
I don't have that luxury of a behind the scenes social circle. I'm just on my own figuring things out as I go.
I'll leave my opinions out of this one. Not going to comment on any this. I just knew you folks wouldn't give up and that's good. Your decisions are your own. I already plopped down five votes on one of the affected members but even with this amount of HP I'm spread thin so I can't do that all the time.
Bravo! I delegated a little, will probably do more later! 🙂
Help someone and he/she will reciprocate your kindness ..
Sounds like Dreemport gets a super good spin off this.
May I just ask whether either human being involved in this debacle was asked for Parley (since you're keen on pirating) prior to this all going live?
My only interest in this shit storm is that everyone is respected and that everyone is honest. This way maybe there can be some actual "justice" and a mutually beneficial resolution for all parties and the greater good may come to light.
Same thing if all parties are actually focused on the greater good anyway so should be simple and amicable.