Both, yes. We learn on the go, and yes, there's trial and error. We don't CAD draw it like the younger folk do. We've done this a long time and Jamie's certainly got way more skills than he did 20 years ago. And now there's Youtube of course, although we're doing some things you couldn't really find on Youtube. It is really rewarding! It's definitely a creative exercise and it's so good to step back and go - wow, we made that, and it WORKS!
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