I was planning on doing one recently after the one I created checking what games @poshtoken should buy assets/tokens in to give away for POSH activity when I looked through some tags and communities and saw something I think many of us can agree are being done for the wrong reasons.
There seems to be a general trend where people give away things of little to no value, do it consistently and repetitively and yet the demand stays high which may be a reason why others aren't taking a stand to correct some of the pending rewards on.
Basically they announce a giveaway, say for instance if I were to give away 1000 WOO tokens, at current price that'd be only 0.58 Hive. Now I'm not against giveaway posts in general but I draw the line when I see people do this, so let's continue with my example to better showcase the issue.
I announce the giveaway of 1000 WOO, tag everyone who may have participated in previous giveaways or has commented on previous ones. The content of the giveaway would say something like "pick a random number" and then a winner is chosen who gets the 1k WOO. Next day I do the same thing with another 1k WOO or other token/nft all the while my posts are receiving 1-20$ worth of post rewards.
Okay so what's wrong here exactly?
Giveaway posts in and of itself don't do any harm, especially if they aren't the only thing you do on your account. The harm is that these people are using the giveaway as a reason for lazy post reward generation that turns them a profit.
You can see that if I with the amount of autovoters I usually get would generally profit quite a lot from this activity. It wouldn't cost me any time to copy-paste the content of the giveaway from the previous post and it wouldn't cost me much effort to ask people to pick a number and then pick one winner from the list.
Now of course I'm a bit of a special case here along with others who do receive autovotes on whatever they post, so even though I try not to take that for granted or abuse it, I have seen some reputatable accounts who do receive slight autovotes do or attempt the same. I'm not going to name any names in this post, I'm sure it wouldn't take long for people to find them, but I think talking about this is valuable to make people see why this is wrong and maybe also get the participants to realize that they're kind of supporting giveaways that are mostly just using them.
I'm not even going to get into the whole "even if they gave away something of higher value, they could easily swindle their way out of giving it to a legit participant who isn't themselves", we all know how easy it is for us already here to create more Hive accounts and looking at the inactivity of most participants of these giveaways it's hard to determine if they're unique because many of them could just be @splinterlands players who aren't as active socializing but have started to become active trying to win certain SL cards. Point is these giveaway creators do no effort in verifying the way they choose winners and if it's as "provably fair" as it should be to avoid any suspicion that they may just be giving the rewards to themselves. I don't think this is common since most of the giveaways really only are a fraction of what the giveaway posts themselves earn in Hive + L2 rewards, but that is the main issue.
Giveaway posts aren't meant to be profitable for the person giving something away. They're meant to generate traffic towards something you're giving away, for instance if I wanted more of my followers to pay attention to WOO I'd give some WOO away. Doing so on a consistent basis would quickly fall into abuse/farming if I'm constantly accepting rewards and the giveaways are consistently the same and take no effort to go through the participants' entries.
Giveaways can thus be seen as ads, a lot of people on crypto twitter do these to advertise towards a project. Some with decent following could even be paid/sponsored to create giveaways while others could just be tricking desperate people that there is a giveaway happening to use them to increase their following count and attention.
The way some of these giveaway posts are treated these days remind me of the days of bid bot voting where someone could buy profitable votes towards certain content advertising certain things. How crazy is/was that? Not only did you stay trending most of the day gaining traction and attention towards what your content was mentioning but at the same time you profited from it. Welp, this is kind of what's happening here lately and even though most of the rewards aren't big they're still profitable.
I've seen people do this where they start small, do the giveaways consistently and keep growing the prizes but they never get bigger than the average post rewards they've been making the past week or so. I've also seen people who usually have been quite decent in creating original content and being social and consistent turn into creating these giveaway posts here and there and over time more consistently because it's easy, doesn't take a lot of effort and they get their daily autovote rewards this way.
I'm sure participants don't mind it, it only takes a comment to enter the giveaway and they have nothing to lose, but what they may not know is that the rest of stakeholders do indeed lose out on it because it's taking post rewards from everyone else who may be putting a lot more effort into their content and Hive account.
So from my point of view, doing giveaway posts should be fine as long as the person hosting them proves that he's not just doing it for the lazy profitable votes it generates. Give the giveaways some uniqueness by making them different from each and every one, make the participants do something else than just picking a number, maybe writing genuine comments you'd have to read and evaluate and picking winners with some effort behind it both for you as the host and the participant.
If you're not going to do any of the above then please consider forfeiting part if not all of the post rewards because quite frankly those posts are close to pointless otherwise and I think more stakeholders should keep an eye to adjust those post rewards out to disincentivize such activity.
Okay so going back to the giveaway posts I've been planning on doing which originated from This post and compare it to what I've seen a majority of current post giveaways:
- I'll be picking a few Hive games to do giveaways in that the community showed demand for
- The giveaways will consist of assets of these games worth somewhere around 20-50$
- The idea behind them will be to have participants share posts of these Hive games on Twitter/Reddit and that share will count as an entry. Thus it brings value to Hive in the form of traffic from outside and it requires effort to go through the entries to check performance of each tweet/reddit post, tag usage, etc
- Pick winners and try to do so transparently, possibly in a form of video where you show how you're picking them randomly and not picking favorites or your possible alt accounts
Now, giveaway posts like that for instance I wouldn't mind seeing more often, they bring value to the Hive dapps, giving interested parties access to assets and tokens of their favorite games. Advertising/attention towards the Hive games from more readers of followers of the person giving things away/potential trending time. Getting participants to put effort into their entries to have a chance to win something which will benefit Hive as a whole (traffic towards Hive posts discussing the Hive games themselves from outside of Hive). The giveaway host has to spend time picking and choosing winners, it's not always the same giveaway even if a lot of the text may be copy-pasted others can see it's something that takes time to conclude.
Compare that to what I see often:
- Give away asset worth less than 5% of your previous post rewards of the giveaway
- Participants do something simple that brings no value to anyone like pick a number from 0-1000.
- Host picks random winner but no one knows if it was truly random and everyone knows it took no effort to pick the winner or create the post
- Rinse and repeat
Have you encountered such giveaway posts? Have you maybe thought the same and decided not to participate in them cause of that?
If anything I hope some of the big projects involved in these giveaways take note and don't encourage such giveaways with upvotes as I've seen many Hive-based games do.
Discuss.
Since they usually required doing something in the world, I'd be lucky if I got five entries.
My winner-picking method is to write down the names of the entrants on paper, and put a cat treat on each paper, and which ever one my cat eats first is the winner (and second, third, if I had more than one winner). This was videotaped unless I had technical problems.
I always thought they were fun and gave people an idea to post about, in but my prizes weren't huge and it was a lot more effort than "pick a number" so only a handful of people joined in.I haven't done a giveaway in a minute, but when I used to do them it was usually for HSBI shares or dust sweeper funds on their account (or both, because I'd often have like, first/second/third place winners). But I never had a lot of entries because my contests were always themed, like, "make a post about you doing something good for the environment" which could be a #cleanplanet walk or something else, or I'd do a photo scavenger hunt like "find a purple flower/a yellow leaf/a mushroom" or something, and all the #wednesdaywalk type folks could enter if they found those things on their walk. Or "do a random act of kindness" was another one I'd do.
Yeah see, in giveaways like that it wouldn't even matter what the prize are to curators like me for instance, I'd vote the contest based on the requirements to enter and the content that may come from it and potentially the entries too.
We do contests with ocd quite often as well and it's about providing something of value/effort in exchange for a chance to win something big or at least get a vote as participation reward.
I guess a good comparison is, don't be a bitcoin miner getting inflation rewards for just spouting random numbers, but use your proof of brain. :P
Proof of brain is important! LOL
Question someone who knows nothing about coding, would it be possible to create a "Giveaway" smart contract? Im not saying its possible or easy but what if the contract at least does select the winner from the comments and provide the tokens, at least that way anyone could verify it, can the contract verify if the account has more than say 3 post in last two weeks? or say giveaway for accounts with rep over certain amount?? just a thought I have after reading your post and how ppl can abuse giveaway posts
It could be done yes, they could use things like the hash from hive blocks in the equation to prove it was randomly generated. Good idea and point.
Glad you brought it up. I see a real inflation of them. They are clogging up my feed. It's getting harder and harder to find real content amongst all the "autopilot posts".
I guess that´s partly the flipside of having all these upcoming games (or should I rather say objects of speculation, as many have not even a functioning game yet). Plus it is so easy to create yet another shit token.
And as you say, it is easy and you don´t have to think a lot about what to post.
I adjusted my curation behavior accordingly.
There's plenty of good authors out there. Just take 10 minutes of your time on a daily basis and explore the platform and before you know it you will be in the position of replacing the weeds with better authors that could make your feed more appealing.
I wonder if larynx will ever have a use case... There are a lot of "token claim" posts on this one as well.
Lmao, I forgot LARYNX even existed. I haven't claimed it in months. 🤣
So sad...
More for me!
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Thanks for the reminder... 😜😜. Time to claim even though it seems to be stale right now
Fair enough!
SPK is not even tradable, since months.
It's probably one year old already...
If people can come up with unique ways to give things away I wouldn't mind it if they'd do that as their main thing on Hive, the problem is when it's giveaway posts that bring close to no value to anyone nor the ecosystem. It festers on people who either don't know how hive rewards work and don't mind the endless lottery style 10 sec participation time to get "something for free" in exchange for getting easy/blind curation often times from projects that lead those games of the assets they're giving away with other stakeholders delegations without proper oversight.
There was a case with one of the gaming projects some time ago where I voiced my disagreement over their curation and they were happy to adjust it and from what I've seen have used it way better now, but their first reaction was "you're not delegating to us so you don't get a say" which is something they need to understand that when it comes to the reward pool - everyone has a say.
Right. Just to some extent we want also traffic and engagement and I am afraid - as sad as it is - without all those giveaways it would be also much more quiet here, wouldn´t it. So the right balance would be great. But how to find it without drastic countermeasures (which I would not like to do)?
Yeah I wouldn't wanna waste time going around adjusting rewards neither so figured maybe this post and discussions around it could at least encourage the many stakeholders/projects overvoting such content in the first place to re-consider.
I'd be more okay with the idea of these lazy giveaway posts, if they took the rewards they made from said post and then gave it away in a following giveaway and just kept pooling it up every week for bigger giveaways. I don't think there's really anything wrong with doing the leave a comment and I'll pick a winner thing. So long as you're not profiting off it and you're working towards doing bigger and better giveaways. Kind of like a scuffed, dollar store brand Mr. Beast.
Otherwise, I agree, this does just seem very reminiscent of the good old bot vote farming days of Steem. I think your suggestion of doing something different is fine, but lets be real. 99.9 percent of these people are soulless husk zombies looking to suck up as much money as they can. Otherwise, most of these people would have started out doing something more unique, as it's really not that hard.
I agree, if people that did the giveaways increased the reward etc. it would be more acceptable. But they do not. As acidyo pointed out, the value they giveaway are usually around 5% of what they get.
I am going to be honest. I also thought about starting giveaways. But of course, with increased rewards compared to average. Did I still have some sort of profit in mind? I did. I think getting some profit from giveaways is not something bad by itself per your example Mr Beast. It can be a real win-win scenario. But people currently doing giveaways are taking a huge chunk of profit, and that is the main issue.
Maybe I should start that giveaway project.
Yeah, as I said if they enjoy doing this it's fine, it's just that they can't make it a profitable thing cause then they're only doing it because of that. Some kind of jackpot increasing pool would be one idea but they'd also gotta prove that when the pot is hit it's fairly going to a participant in provably ways not "trust me I rng'd this".
I'd just set up some guidelines for them, like any account entering has to be so and so months old or has to have a certain amount of activity in the last month. Use a RNG picker tool online (Which is easy to find/use, I was doing it on a twitter account giving away pokemon cards) Then just boot up OBS (Or, a screen capture app if doing it on the phone like a scuff lord) and either record the giveaway or go stream it. Could do it duck race style, or last one out wins style, whatever. Lots of different ways to do it that would make rigging very time consuming to do, especially for such small amounts.
It’s like being scammed but you don’t know you are being scammed, I see.
There was one time I commented on a giveaway to say something genuine, and now I’m tagged in every giveaway the author does. I’m kinda shy in saying I don’t wanna be tagged in the next posts so I tend to ignore them in my notifications. I think they should not tagged everyone who don’t participate anymore 🥲 It’s like spam
Honestly one or 2 times is fine but if all the author does is to post only giveaway posts, I think there’s something wrong.
Anyways, I’ll be more careful next time not to be caught up in this spiral of giveaways. Your post gave me a lot of insights.
I'd downvote them the second time, if they didn't listen the first time I said don't tag me again.
Excactly.
Okay powzh, I'll listen to you charot
Yeah.. happened to me too once, he kept tagging me even after I commented and asked the user to stop tagging me 3 times. Which proved that they didn't even bother to read the comments of participants since it took me to start downvoting before he started replying and took me off the tag. Guess it shows that their interests were just with the consistent post rewards the giveaways were generating.
I've noticed a lot of these lately as well. The post rewards are small so I don't really take issue with that, it's more just an annoyance to scroll quickly past on my feed. It's not like they're a Haejin profiting massively. What I do take issue with is being tagged in them without consent or prior engagement, which happened a little while ago but I quickly shut that down with a comment on the post. Even still, that's just a minor annoyance. I like your ideas for running giveaways that can attract outsiders though 👍
I couldn't agree more.
It seems to be the new "META" for those who want to farm the rewards pool:
I participated in two such giveaways but as you said, its fishy, I can't verify the drawings were fair in any way so I decided against it. It seems that they are abusing autovoters and/or autovoters are irresponsible with their picks.
Yeah, that’s a great argument. Kind of hard to balance between different people because everyone will have different standard of will be “creative” and not “repetitive”. And that’s where that place where you draw the line gets fuzzy.
Also depends on the history and future of a certain giveaway is trying to achieve.
Repetition is something that can be improved by maybe also something I need to demonstrate how to improve, such as creating an initial post with what will be the part that repeats and then through out the real events, drop the part that is creative and point to the rules/details/etc from the initial post. This might increase the value of the giveaway and avoids the boring repetition (even if many don’t read it even like that).
Will try this on the next HPUD for example. Thanks for the insight.
I do giveaways once per week for @muterra , @wrestorgonline, @psyberx and @cryptocompany. I want to push these games and Hive in general. I want users to interact with comments. Often I see interesting posts with no comments. And I'm very happy, that more and more users take part on my giveaway posts. And I must say, I give more than I earn. But it's fun for me.
Currently, I'm giving away 1 $SQM Token worth 10 Hive and 1000 $CCD Token worth 1 Hive for CryptoCompnay CEO.
And I need about half an hour to create such a posting. Do the raffle, edit the template and so on. That's more time than many users put into their postings e.g. Actifit picures...
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Ya I’ve seen these quite a bit and they are pretty annoying lol I don’t do those giveaway things and I don’t even usually participate in them. It ends up being tag spamming and annoying so I said screw it.
If done in the right context I can see them working out pretty well though!
It's hard to be creative and consistent at the same time on a long run... Hence the tendency of such accounts towards easy money... I get your point though. What I also find annoying is curators, especially large accounts curating content blindly... Hive is not a perfect world, but so far "the best" this space has to offer.
Yeah repetitiveness is quite normal, you see YouTubers and other content creators outside of hive do the grind too, here you gotta at least work on your audience to show that you care about the community you're in many ways taking rewards from or else consistently posting and grinding on reworded content (even if reworded from yourself) might seem a bit much that some may want to adjust if you're taking a big chunk from the pool.
As mentioned these are usually quite small in rewards but it's still kind of a problem considering they're literal copy-paste in content and how you can participate is mindless, take no effort to generate and finalize and most often the rewards are 5-20x the thing they're giving away.
I agree there is no point on doing a giveaway if the reward is pennies on the dollar. I look to someday do one here but not until I grow and get settled here. I have done many of them on another platform. I have even included the money I make on the post to go the prize pool. They have to be both fun and rewarding at the same time.
Yeah but at the same time doing one now and then mixed with genuine content isn't a problem, it's mainly when it becomes your main focus or you're unwilling to let one day of autovotes go because you can't be bothered generating content or coming up with something to post so you fill it with mindless giveaways.
It's a lot about intention as well, often it's easy to see if someone's posting just to maximize rewards. These are usually the same people who'll throw hissy fits when downvotes occur.
I personally see a giveaway as a generous thing to do. Do them because you want to not because you can. Also do them for your audience not yourself. These simple two things will make it all worth it:)
Have a great weekend @acidyo
I fully agree with everything that has been described, I myself have discussed a lot with the moderators of our curation program for the Brazilian community, to try to avoid as much as possible positive votes on those profiles that carry out a giveaway without effort or without adding anything to the hive and which are with a considerably high frequency.
I really appreciate quality posts and that the author really put in the effort to create something interesting and cool to move the hive as a whole.
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Definitely agree with you. I see those posts constantly. Consistency, content and communities are the way to build your account and reputation. No giveaways that aren’t giveaways.
I guess some people are being lazy to work these days. Some do not engage but the upvote posts with the hope of getting some profits but doing giveaways to invite people to a particular platform is going to be helpful for the both of you.
agree, as a Splinterlands player since 2018, most of the people I follow are players, and I'm tired of seeing posts and being mentioned in posts about penny card giveaways. Frankly, this doesn't add anything to the game, nor to Hive, nor to the winner of the penny card. The only one who benefits is the post creator. There are better ways to grow in the game, and the game itself already helps with that through its weekly contests and good votes for quality content. Doing penny card giveaways in a game that is becoming more competitive every day is a bit strange and pointless, but now you raised a point I hadn't thought of before, about the giveaway organizer drawing themselves in a fake account. Well, many things happen in Hive, so I wouldn't be surprised by that. Regarding giveaways, I no longer participate in Splinterlands giveaways. Occasionally, I participate in giveaways for other games that I don't want to invest in, but want to play to test. I recently saw a quality post from an influential person on Hive, so I decided to participate in their giveaway since it was interesting, had dynamic rules, and brought engagement to those who participated, instead of just leaving their nicknames. I participated and, to my surprise, only 3 more people participated. In other words, people just want to win automatically, with the least possible effort, just by leaving their nicknames in giveaways
Here's the giveaway I found the rules interesting https://peakd.com/hive-140217/@underlock/battle-deck-challenge-splinterlands
Here we can see total number of participants
https://peakd.com/hive-140217/@underlock/battle-deck-challenge-results-splinterlands
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Great and insightful. Thanks for putting this up together.
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I have seen the above said many times. Once upon a time the same logic was applied to Splinterland Alpha Cards that were worth just cents at the time. The same for the BETA edition. Those giveaways for common and rare cards became valuable for those who held the won cards. Plus if people are engaging and having fun then such giveaways is also bringing value to the blockchain (helping with user retention).
That's moot cause they could be giving away cards valued equal to what they earn from the post rewards. They're not engaging, looking at a majority of participants they just go around entering random numbers in many similar giveaways, bots could do it if anyone bothered programming them to do so.
Dunno if you trying to justify this activity with that but as I said they'd be free to do this but the post rewards gotta come down since even the activity of the person hosting it could easily be bottled and often times looks that way when many of the hosts barely interact/comment themselves but constantly post.
I disagree, if one of the points is the that the prize being given out isn't worth enough in USD; the prizes potential future USD worth should be taken in consideration. Even more so when its an asset that has shown to appreciate in value such as Splinterland NFT's have.
I'm not trying to justify any activity. People can choose to use their account and stake how they see fit. The community can react with their accounts and stake as they see fit. That is the awesomeness that is HIVE. If we are talking a post with just a sentence or two and high rewards; I can agree that isn't good for the HIVE Community regardless of it being a giveaway post or not. However if the poster is keeping their post fresh and informative with a giveaway to boot then I have no issue with such giveaways regardless of the prize USD worth.
It's a useless point mate, I could give you a $5 upvote on this comment right now, doesn't mean its deserving and amazing just cause Hive could go to $50 next week if it means that on my own reply I'd vote it up to $50 today and get x100 in a week.
From what I've seen it's mostly copy-pasted content from the previous post with slight changes of who won that time, there's nothing "fresh" about it.
While everyone can and most often will do what they want with their stake it doesn't mean others can't speak up if they feel certain stake is being misused which is costing everyone else rewards they work hard/er for than some people doing close to nothing which is the point here.
It's not so much about just the USD worth of the prizes, I wouldn't mind people giving away whatever they want, value can be quite subjective, it's about post reward farming with close to nothing creative or effort behind it and authors and participants providing nothing of value for consumers or the ecosystem.
Like be real for a second, where else can you profit off of giving away things? And no, ad revenue doesn't count.
If it would be deserving would be up to the person voting to the $5 amount (and then later for the community to decide if they want to remove such rewards or not). Amazing, the whole HIVE blockchian is amazing. The fact that currency can be earned in such a way is (to me) amazing in itself. But to address your point, yes getting a $5 vote while HIVE is viewed as undervalued holds more value to me then getting a $5 vote when HIVE USD value is on the Higher side (in your scenario $50) this is because I aim to increase my HIVE not my USD's. The lower the price of HIVE the more HIVE one would get from a $5 Vote. If price was to go to $50 some time later it would make that previous $5 vote even more "amazing".
Sure we agree on that.
Understood but your post does mention low value prizes and it was something I counter-pointed.
Why does ad revenue not count? Any revenue counts but to answer your question there are plenty of ways to give out prizes and make a profit. The lotto system is designed in such a way. Many online business run on such models. One being the poker industry and another being the slot industry. Play2Earn gaming businesses need to make a profit do they not? Endless of examples of how to. Anyways, I appreciate you responding and giving more insights to your opinion on the subject. Thanks for the back and forth but I'll have to bow out of the conversation as all my points have been made previously.
Honestly, at the beginning I participated in a giveaway to try to win something and grow in games, but I never won anything in the draws that left my name for the raffle, as time went on growing up in hive (my hive account I created when I joined the game, splinterlands October 2021, but I didn't know how to post, act, use a hive. I started posting in September 2022 if I'm not mistaken, when I had met the Brazilian community of hive-br and they taught me how it worked)
Since then I hardly participate or vote in giveaways with the exception of one or another that I really know is made for the community, in most giveaways unfortunately it is difficult to audit the transparency that the winner really deserved.
What bothered me the most was two profiles that mentioned me in the draws, and I always participated, but the draws were daily, but the letters were not delivered daily, then a question came to mind, the account did not close.
I do think it's important to have giveaways in the community, because it motivates those who are still small like me to try to be lucky for something, however, I'm going to say something that is a utopia, but I think that maybe the fairest way to do a giveaway would be the person raffle in the chosen community, but the payment is destined to a benefit account that receives, for example, 100% or whatever it was 75%, and donates values for some humanitarian aid, which can be traced to see that the money was sent to the correct place.
Just yesterday I saw a post that they had a campaign in a difficult location to access (I don't remember the name of the city) that books were delivered talking about the hive, potable water boxes with a hive sticker, it's an action to help and that does the difference.
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yea, what u posted as the criteria those kind of posts should follow sounds good.
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I pretty much have the same thoughts as you about giveaway posts, of course I don't judge those who propose them because everyone can do what they want here. Besides, it is true that the single post can earn you more than the value of the give-away, in some cases the rewards of the post do not cover the value of the giveaway itself, but it is difficult.
The fact is that if the giveaways had more value then everything would make much more sense, but 1000 woo or 1000 starbits or a splinterlands community card really in my opinion is too little!
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When I started on HIVE right at the very beginning, I made a giveaway just to "advertise" and grow my viewership. It's a once a week thing and I tie it into my weekly Splinterlands Challenge post where it's basically a quick roundup of anything notable that happened to me that week. I considered it making an automated daily thing, but I quickly realised I didn't like spammy posts and so I never ever got into it.
That being said, I do join lots of daily giveaway posts, but I can't say I actually read them at all except for the rare few who make it an interesting unique post every time with the giveaway as a side event. 🤣
I have never participated in this kind of giveaway before because it seems ridiculous to me. And unfortunately, I have come across such posts many times. I usually just skip it.
Giveaways are controversial, I agree. I hosted one myself one too, until recently. It was an upvote giveaway to support undervalued posts. I decided to quit it because of the reasons that I described here and I have had so much more time to work on posts that I really enjoy since then. Giveaways (and regular series in general) do look like easy template posts, many of them actually are easy template posts but sometimes, there can be quite a lot "invisible" work and stress behind them and that´s also what I tried to discuss in that post. I still run two regular weekly initiatives as I have been getting positive feedback about them and I don´t mind keeping them alive but the moment they start not to be considered beneficial for the community anymore, I will be happy to quit them too and dedicate the spare time to working on original and creative content that I really enjoy working on and that´s usually also more supported by curators. Btw feel free to tell me your opinion on those two series that I still run. You are a very respected member of our community and I value and consider opinions of such people. Thank you.
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Add me to the contest @flquin I choose number 7 jejej.
I was just seeing that way how many were using contests to grow their account. I agree with you and several of the game creators agree with your thinking, they have even publicly congratulated some giveaways that stand out from the crowd.
I try to take advantage of every giveaway I see, I guess I'm part of the problem too.... Although I did some giveaways but very sporadically, I never contemplated the idea of farming Hive like that, I would rather create giveaways to have more followers. But, I'm not that desperate either, I prefer them to grow organically because of what I contribute to the network.
I'll keep an eye out for your giveaways
When I was a newbie, giveaway posts were sort of interesting, but these days I just don't care.
When I was a couple of years in, I hosted a few giveaway "challenge" posts, but they were always based on the prizes being based in the liquid rewards a post would earn. Most of the time, my preference was to give Hive SBI shares as rewards simply because they require long term commitments to actually give the recipient much benefit.
I actually had my cat do some of the random drawings... 🤣
The sort of "giveaway churning" you're describing is just kind of annoying because the intent is not really to give anything away, but for the person doing the giving to boost their rewards... usually at the expense of those who know no better. Who cares about winning 10,000 of some 2nd layer token that has no standalone value of its own?
What you're describing that you're doing isn't even on the same planet. Mostly, because it has an actual purpose, in terms of community building.
That's usually my key criterion... is there a POINT to this?
Yes, you got the point here.
Tokenomics + gamification are going together here and too often "giveaways" are confused for "giveaways things for free".
Giveaways must always give something in return the the Company/Project making the giveaway. They give, people have to perform some actions. The best giveaways I have seen so far were with points and according to the number of actions performed they got different amount of points --> different rewards for the user.
And even if I do not play games (except for minor participation in Stardom) I like your idea. But I would also include non-gamers 😜 so I (and many others) can take better part to it
Interesting post. I haven't thought about it in exactly those terms, but something similar, and lately I haven't taken part in many giveaways either. One reason is that if I comment I give an upvote - more so that I can quickly see if I have entered than because I think the giveaway should earn a dollar for ever 5 cents worth of prizes - and that takes away from the upvotes I can give to other posts. And sometimes I'm so tired that typing "I'm in !LOLZ" on yet another Rising Star post just doesn't seem worth the effort when I can easily earn as many starbits by playing the game instead.
Splinterlands giveaways though, for me who can't afford the spellbook (at my current estimates of how many decades it would take me to earn its value back by playing,) each card I can win is a plus. And someday in the future, perhaps, I may have won enough cards that buying the spellbook would make sense! So that way, even small prizes are good. And what do I know? Maybe the person who does the tiny, daily giveaway really needs the profit to buy food or send their kids to school?
As for contests requiring some effort - post a recipe, a story, your thoughts about a topic - I think they are great fun, and often want to join, but the deadline comes and goes while I'm still thinking about my entry, and after a few days I have 20 tabs of expired contests to close 😹
When it comes to big curation accounts automatically upvoting the giveaways, I know too little about how that works to really have an opinion about how to solve it. It does sound bad though - if I delegated my HP or followed a curation trail, I would want my votes to go to "real" posts.
Great points acidyo. Have always done some giveaways as part of my activity. My life has been in gaming for one. Yes it is easier in some ways. Like the aspects of sharing and interaction. Also tie in token holders and sharing posts to spread things out and add value. This leads me to read some content I would not otherwise and share a small feed in the form of a post. Have found the engagement from such activity useful for my account and have ranked high in activity at times while coupling with exploring, upvoting and commenting through our ecosystem as well.
It's simple.
It is a free for all or it is those who have control who gets.
Presently, I lean toward the latter.
Wow, I really agreed with you and most doesn't even know that they use random pick as they do say and make some people become so lazy but I hope your giveaway will be very nice
No offense but this seems like a somewhat low-effort comment not worthy of the upvote you received and quite frankly it's making me wonder why @ecency has been upvoting a majority of your recent comments with the same strength. Adjusting the rewards a little bit + don't think it deserves to be the highest upvoted comment in this thread...