the idea of something being created from nothing (big bang-immaculate conception) is ridiculous and we do not see this in our reality.
A good point you make, thank you.
I just jiggled with this very notion while reading other related sources, like this one.
Atheists have not felt compelled to embrace the view that the universe came into being out of nothing for no reason at all; rather they regard the universe itself as a sort of factually necessary being: the universe is eternal, uncaused, indestructible, and incorruptible. As Russell neatly put it, " . . . The universe is just there, and that's all."
This came after the paragraph where this was said:
John Hick: a necessary being is an eternal, uncaused, indestructible, and incorruptible being.
My own thoughts I just finished in a text file. But since you pointed towards this exact topic, allow me to forward them to you:
How, in the face of the universe, one can conceive of it as "just there", as if talking about a pebble one happens to stumble upon, says more about the unwillingness to be amazed than about the fact that one could not also questioningly call "an entity" a "universe". Since the universe seems unreal - even from the earthly limited perspective. Both in its mental grasp and when one gazes into the gigantic starry sky at night.
In this way, one can also understand oneself as "simply there" and not feel any astonishment or wonder about what is "normal", namely one's own birth just like the births of others. But the very fact that the self-evident, when one pauses, can suddenly become something mysterious, downright inexplicable, is what one can call an "inspiration", which suggests that such a "spirit" wants to be a divine spark. Those who find it unimpressive that this inspiring spark simply comes to visit, or ascribes it to their own genius, fail to realise that everything an adult human being has ever thought has always been thought by others, often more educated than oneself. And that "thought" itself, and thus the discipline of thought, is not called a "discipline" for nothing. Who would deny that theological thinking was and is not a high discipline, if he takes the manifold writings of the theological sources close to his mind?
For me this is the big question, are all our decisions already pre-programmed in and we are just following the script? Or do we really decide our own fate?
I would like here to answer with a question:
How relevant is this question to you when you have to make an important decision of conscience in your life (who to marry, for example, or how to bury someone who has died, for example, or if you want to be a father, or other significant things)? How do you advise yourself on things that set a particular course in your life?
I would first say that we dont know what we are or where we are and this is the biggest conspiracy in our current time. There is a huge effort in the mainstream to stop us from exploring this realm and answering these fundamental questions, which is what intrigued me about your post.
I read your thoughts and your position is, we are what we are and we are just here? Is that the Solipsism philosophical idea?
Well, this is the thing, if the multitude of different character types and events are say determined from the position of the luminaries when you are born, are our decisions pre-programmed? Therefore, being a certain starsign, I will think in a certain way and make a decsion based on my personality type. On the other hand, I feel I have some control over my decsions 😀
I think that doubt is the best proof that you have control over your life. For example, when you hear something murmuring far in the back of your mind that makes you feel uncertain about a decision, that's called a conscience, isn't it? Especially in times of crisis of a general or personal nature, the felt uncertainties are a sign of your will. It doesn't matter if you are that type or the other, I would think, if a very serious question is bothering you, does it?
Sometimes, haven't you had the feeling that you decided against your conscience and then regretted it, for example? And where you were courageous despite uncertainty, did it feel coherent? If we were totally attached to the thread of fate or to the cold determinism of biologism or materialism, we would know neither doubt nor ambiguity, I would think.
I am not a follower of solipsism. I would say that it is not at all possible that nothing exists outside of one's own consciousness. For that, I just imagine myself living alone on a deserted island or a completely deserted city (which is impossible in and of itself) - where would I learn anything from, what thoughts would inspire me and give me ideas about life? Nothing comes from me and from me alone, I depend on the consciousness of others as much as they depend on mine. Where the human standard fails, I believe in another, i.e. God's (which can also be translated as "conscience"), because after all, it would be exceedingly funny if I said a prayer that began with "Almighty Peter, ...". Then I would think of Peter, who is anything but mighty (but fallible).
Let us not being stopped but go forward to contemplate about these very questions and choose or ladies and gents wisely ;) nothing can come between the covenant between man and woman, if it is true and sincere.
Thank you. Very much appreciate this feedback.
I would call myself a Direct Realist, I think it is the best way to approach these questions or we start going into fantasy land.
Very good point about going with your "gut feeling", usually you come to regret decsions that go against it. I guess that is because you are then remaining true to your true essence and that it aligns with your beliefs and values.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, it is appreciated also.
Have a look at this text:
https://www.leaderu.com/truth/3truth11.html
I recommend reading from start to finish. It's a scientific approach towards the thoughts presented how the universe came into being. It is logically structured and satisfies people with a different approach towards what can be meant by "creator".
I found it to be very entertaining as well as impressive. In particular the conclusion gives me material to argue with people who call themselves atheists.
I wouldn't know what you mean by "direct realist", though. Can you explain?
I often find it is not worth to argue with atheists as they are living in some sort of fantasy land and deny reality. If you ask them to create something from nothing, they cannot do it or show you it happening anywhere.
I thought the text was quite interesting, although quite hard to digest. I prefer to try and keep things simple. Logically, there cannot be something created by nothing. We have never seen this happen in our world ever. There are also amazing signs of creation all around us to those who would see. It is clear the world is designed and has mechanical processes from the clock above us (the luminaries), to creating the immaculate details on flowers. This doesnt just happen "by accident" lol
Whilst I also dont subscribe to the big bang theory nonsense and the ever expanding universe. The world is also clearly infinite. There can never be an end to the world. Once you reach a barrier, there must then be something else on the other side and so like a russian Matryoshka doll, a new layer after new layer. As in your text, it mentioned the law of thermodynamics and the equalisation effect. All air systems must have a barrier and therefore, once you reach one barrier, then there must be another world or system on the other side ad Infinitum. Ironically, the law of thermodynamics and the equalisation effect is the main reason that "Space" as it is presented to us does not and cannot exist. Our atmosphere would equalise with the air pressure in space.. I had to chuckle when Elon sent the car into space and the tyres should have exploded with air equalisation..
Direct realism - (from Wikipedia)- In philosophy of perception and epistemology, naïve realism (also known as direct realism, perceptual realism, or common sense realism) is the idea that the senses provide us with direct awareness of objects as they really are.
I think we need to trust our common senses and our direct reality, as this is the purest form of truth there is.
That's a problem since many people seem to be atheists these days. At least, in my own circle of people that seems to be the case. ... But then, one cannot know for sure, since the art of debating must be learned and that is the biggest hurdle in communication. We jump too soon and we ask not enough questions towards each other. I sometimes take on the effort to argue with atheists. It's tedious, that's true. But if I can spare the time and have the nerv, I try to support them with sources.
It's so much easier to argue with people who own a dogma or principles, in comparison.
That is a really strong argument, I find, and that's also why I think the text is worth spreading.
Thank you, that is a very interesting aspect. So, did you find any explanations for the fact that our Earth has an atmosphere despite that it shouldn't? LOL I am hearing that for the first time.
What Mr. Musk does, I do not follow actively, I find that his celebrity status (for one a savior, for others the opposite) gets onto my nerves.
I very much see it the same. I know you are right but if you ask me, I have a hard time to say why. So I trust it.
Fair play that you are taking on the mantel there. From my understanding, listening to many of the atheists is that they belong to the philosophy of nihilism which is just absurd and a denial of reality OR that they are part of a cult, although they do not realise that they are in a cult.
Well, according to the Book of Enoch, there should be a Firmament, but of course, without full exploration of this realm, we do not know if there is one or not. BTW, If you want to see what the luminaries actually look like, there are now plenty of videos on youtube where people can zoom in using a P1000 camera.
I feel you there. What else could it be though? This? LOL