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RE: Although subjectively downvoting posts to zero is anathema to me, the Layer 1 ability to do so must remain (for now at least)

in #hive-engine3 years ago

What do you mean by "meaningful"?

In the context of numbers, i.e. the level of stakes, I can't derive meaningfulness. It's communicated content that provides meaning and in principle does not need a stake to motivate someone to make a suggestion or participate in the design of the platform.

But how I understand you, in other words, the higher your stake, the more weight and importance your word should have. Am I understanding you correctly? If someone with 12 M HP decides not to assert a will to shape, they could still do so at any time and have an influence. Whereas, on the other hand, if someone has far less than 100K HP, it makes no difference if they want to influence, right?

If no one has loyalty to each other, the whole thing here would be nothing more than a kind of gambling, where you just bet your chips on a whim, no matter what content you are playing with. No matter what authors write, it is not important what they write, but only that they write so that the game continues.

But I see something different. Loyalty and the formation of communities of interest are taken very seriously here, just as certain behaviour is either rewarded or punished.

The - one might say foolish - side that sees it all as great fun is not seen as funny at all, and the people who very seriously monitor behaviors and opinions seem to want to prevent the very face of Hive shown on the outside from being perceived as a gambling hall and a place of arbitrariness.

In my view, this contradicts the "we can choose what we want and how we want it." There are hundreds of etiquette posts, advice articles on voting and commenting behaviour, and a constant argument about these matters.

If it is as you say, no one would really want to spread the word that this is decentralised governance. Because of course that is not true. For me personally, I clarified the whole matter a few years ago with one of the witnesses here, who finally said that it is anything but decentralised. Basically, the marketers say something different than what's in it.

In principle, this is what could be written on the packaging:

Nobody takes seriously what is published here. It is a matter of complete arbitrariness. The rewards are neither rewards, the punishments neither punishments. No one wants to help anyone succeed, because the individual's personal blog is merely a pass-through for number shifts. All that is experienced in terms of meaning is a charge of meaning that is in truth unimportant.

I've read the paper several times back then and I bet, very few people read it. For me, that's subjective, it's not a law, it's an approach how one can look at this matter.

But do you really think, that is how the people here perceive this environment? I don't think so. Up- or Downvoting is connected to emotions drawn from the contents being published. If it'd be totally un-attached to emotion, there would be no need for either up- or downvotes.

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I can give you a simple rule of thumb. Purchase 100K-500K hive from the market and power up. You will see that you are participating in governance. If you can't, then don't worry about upvote or downvote. Live your life and enjoy.

Have a good day

Interesting, you want me to rethink my answer. I think it's fine as it stands.
There's always the possibility that someone else won't mind the length, it's public here. If it doesn't meet interest, I can live with it.

Purchase 100K-500K hive from the market and power up. You will see that you are participating in governance.

I already confirmed that this seems to be the state of the art. In case, you nevertheless read what I answered.

Basically, I don't take a position that is fixed in principle, it varies depending on the situation/topic and who I meet. If I ride on principles, I may ride them to shame.

You too, have a good day.

so to clarify, if u have a big enough wallet, u can be a douche or a king, and people will fall at your feet. and if u are broke af and posting just to put food in your mouth, it doesnt matter how 'smart' you are, or how much u COULD change the platform for the better/worse, because noone will see / listen to you, because they just want to get some whaledick

or at least thats what my 4 years+ have taught me XD

Indeed, such things can be observed. But away from the big theatres, people go to the smaller stages and what lasts for a long time can one day be quite a substantial structure, which may even be able to feed one or two people. If you are an artist in life, you often make do with little, but you are your own boss (well, in many things, if not in everything). You shouldn't mess with the world, it often bites back, but you don't have to pander to it either. I agree with that :)

That is exactly how Hive has always worked - with the small exceptions of the awesome, principled, whales/investors - who have supported the little folks, helped support journalists, and pushed back against the oligarchs.

so to clarify, if u have a big enough wallet, u can be a douche or a king, and people will fall at your feet. and if u are broke af and posting just to put food in your mouth, it doesnt matter how 'smart' you are, or how much u COULD change the platform for the better/worse, because noone will see / listen to you, because they just want to get some whaledick

or at least thats what my 4 years+ have taught me XD

sounds about right

There it is folks! Plain for all to see! Your words don’t matter unless you have a higher stake than the arbitrators giving their thumbs up and thumbs down in the coliseum of content that we all call Hive. Thus… the perpetration of literal “Hive Mind” and the manifestation of abuse across the blockchain. THIS is where the problem originates… and THIS is why we are NOT A TOP 10 COIN. [period]

The rewards are neither rewards, the punishments neither punishments. No one wants to help anyone succeed, because the individual's personal blog is merely a pass-through for number shifts. All that is experienced in terms of meaning is a charge of meaning that is in truth unimportant.

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