I support this idea. I didn't know the window was ever removed, to be honest. And now that we can tip old posts past payout, the loss of that last 12 hours of upvotes is lessened.
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I support this idea. I didn't know the window was ever removed, to be honest. And now that we can tip old posts past payout, the loss of that last 12 hours of upvotes is lessened.
The fact you did not notice the change reveals it is unnecessary to restore the former state. We should take careful note of the decrease of users that Hive is impacted by and be extremely protective of new users in order to rectify that loss to our community.
Reducing the ability of free speech advocates to counter attempts to censor narratives by the same mechanism used by Spaminator to discourage spam will result in decreased user retention, which prevents growth of Hive.
Presently spam is under control, as you demonstrate above, but we very much lack the growth in new users necessary. I suggest that our current needs are not to facilitate censorship, but to better protect against it, which this proposal is contrary to.
stupid question is this my doing , or marks setting
Marty has more than sufficient reason to mute my comments, so I assume it is his doing.
I muted him a while ago because he kept posting nonsense on a lot of my posts and I got tired of seeing it.
Downvotes are mainly for reward disagreement, either spam or otherwise. There are a lot of users who are abusing the 6.5-day window.
Removing rewards does not impact free speech.
That's blatantly false. Huge numbers of folks signed up and were flagged of the platform. Some may be glad of their silence, but our platform has fewer users today, and many of those people weren't spammers anymore than I am.
OTOH, I may not so vehemently disagree. I'm not particularly sure it was the financial hit so much as the insult of being serially flagged and reduced in rep that so angers folks they rage quit.
Whether or not it's the rewards, serial massive downvotes stop people from posting, as you well know.
It's what you do to stop spam.
This post is about changing the window at 6.5 days. If someone is flagging to "censor" someone they are not doing it at 6,5 days. So it's kind of a moot argument.
For the people that were "flagged off" I'd bet it was about rewards.
You'd lose that bet.
However, in regards to the window, where such flags are contested, they end up there, so they can't be contested.
Why are you pretending not to understand? Do you think ignoring things makes them go away? Or are you intent on actually causing the exact thing you pretend not to understand?
The fact that I did not notice only shows I have not been looking for the change.
No. It shows that you have not been impacted by the change, or you would have noticed. Spam is well controlled through extant mechanisms now. It's not completely perfectly controlled, but it's suppressed nominally to make the 12 hour window irrelevant to you.
That window would be a massive multiplication of the oppressive power of censors availed of substantial stake however. Ask @lucylin if he notices their flags now. He sure does. When they can flag him and not be opposed, he will notice that with great impact too.
It's a double-edged sword.
99.9999% won't be impacted by the change either way, because almost no one does a damn thing about abuse except for a literal handful of people.
If that were true you'd be wasting your time fighting spam. Were you not fighting spam, and the current mechanisms not working, it would dramatically impact every user.
Also, @michael35454's spam comment above was flagged by 20 accounts. This post has ~125 comments. That's a lot more folks countering spam than .00001%. It's about 20%.
That shows a bit of ignorance. Just because people that do flag stuff have 10 accounts following trails doesn't mean 20% of the readers of this post actually flags.
That 20 accounts there are just following @steevc's flags minus 1 or 2 of them.
20 accounts is what I see flagging spam on a post with ~125 comments at the time. Maybe you have personal knowledge that some of those accounts are socks. I reckon you could be right, but I have no evidence of it.
TBQH, I didn't look to see which accounts did the flagging. What I saw was spam getting properly hammered, as it should, particularly on this post. With that many flags hitting such comments, that account won't last long before being irrelevant and giving up, just like that Bible verse spammer did recently.
Looks like spam prevention is working fine to me.
Those are people blindly following a trail because they want to help but don’t want to do the work.
Honestly, I recommend checking out Blurt. There will be no downvotes and will be perfect for your needs. Basically Whaleshares 2.0. I think you will be happy there.
So, because they automate their downvotes they don't count? I suspect your estimate of numbers may be exaggerated, because I see their flags counting just fine.
Please indicate to me where I have recommended - ever - getting rid of downvotes, or desiring to be on a platform without them. I'd have to apologize for making a false statement that contradicts those I have made in reply to this OP, and ever, actually.
You are either not understanding my point, or deliberately misrepresenting it, because I've never, ever been against flags. You seem to intend to imply that opinion flags are the same as flags to suppress spam.
Is that your meaning?
I feel a video coming on....(And thanks, btw).
Wait, how does this work?
PeakD has a function where you can transfer directly to posts past payout and 1% of it will be burned at @null.
Tipping like this has always been available manually, but most people never bothered for whatever reason.
Good to know, I'll check it out.
If you use the PeakD interface, it adds a tipping icon along with the upvote and downvote options.
Nice.