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Yet somehow smaller states? How do you square the circle of smaller government without enforcing borders?

If California wants to secede, how's it gonna maintain it's new found independence from the rest of the states without border enforcement? And without border enforcement what does it even mean to be independent?

Did you watch the debate?

I listened to the audio, yes.

My understanding was that you admitted that small government is preferable to large government (your point about violently small vs mostly benign and large seemed pointless) yet how can one get a "small government" without defending the borders of that governmental region?

A local community does not need a government. We can all make decisions with a simple app and whoever doesn't agree will not be forced. Government is always the exercise of violence. Democracy is domination of majority. People living in communities of their choice have moral duty to stop any agression. In case of security from the outside, in a free market society, there will be many security providers to choose from. Some will specialize in borders. Peace

agreed. but until we get rid of welfare programs which steal money from productive people, this isn't an option. The way to make this an option is to stem the bleeding of wealth by stemming the immigration. Immigrants overwhelmingly draw on welfare money. Hence the need for closed borders while the welfare state is still in place.

Once the welfare state has been demolished - open the borders.

There is no other freedom like freedom and there is no government like no government :D