stop and frisk was based on some pretty clear indicators of criminal activity; Bloomberg (who opposed the policy) issued some guidance that extended Guliani's stop and frisk policy to pretty much any minority on the street. sabotage by overestension.
even so, Gukliani's model worked; I have to dig for it, but somewhere in my reference DB and on my graed school blog I've got some material that shows how it worked, why it worked, and how Bloomberg made it a target for propaganda
Honestly, I don't care if it works. I'm in the camp that says it isn't worth trading even a little liberty for security. I hate dealing with the police under any circumstances, and I would never voluntarily live somewhere that I could be commanded to submit to molestation for nothing.
I'll never be happy with government, though. At heart I'm an anarchist. I don't want or need government's protection. I'll take it since I have to pay for it, but I'd vote it gone in a heartbeat.
I understand
I admit it's always easier to sell someone else's liberty down the river, and not think of the overall consequences
thanks for the food for thought!