Been tough dealing with all the shots about just “seeking attention,” or being “divisive” coming from you and others this past year, after I noticed these discrepancies and glaring lack of principle from Kokesh early on. You may not like how I communicate, and I can respect that disagreement, I guess, but I hope you will take a step back next time, and consider what the other party is saying, before jumping to conclusions and riding the bandwagon.
Thank you for sharing your side of the story here as well. Just more evidence of the same brand of threatening and dishonest behavior from the “anarcho” statist.
My interactions with you weren't meant as shots but (mostly failed) attempts to communicate how your approach was not helping you accomplish your goal (at least as it related to me understanding your perspective). I wasn't jumping on the bandwagon to judge Adam because my own lived experience to that point and the ideas he put forth in Freedom were in conflict with what was being said about him. I really am sorry it was so difficult for you. You may not see it this way, but I was trying to help you see the approach you were taking was causing at least some of that difficulty.
I hope we get to a place where the people don't matter as much as the ideas. When we focus on the people, we get stuck in hierarchies as I've talked about before. I also appreciate how we need to clarify reputations within the communities we're involved in, and I do respect your attempts to do that, even if your approach turned me off.
Thank you for your efforts. I hope in the future we can communicate more effectively.
Implying that someone is seeking attention and telling me I behaved like a “troll” is not an examination of an argument. Glad you see now.
Is it at all possible in any way that you did behave in some ways like a troll? Is that even in the realm of possibility? If so, then why not accept others may perceive some of your behavior as trollish? Please, don't try to control my perceptions of your actions. You disagreeing with my perceptions doesn't change them. They are mine based on my own experience with you.
I'm not sure how a troll behaves exactly, except for the ones I've dealt with. I would be very interested in learning more how trolls tend to act in a context such as this. I see it as people either trying to communicate, understand or be abusive. When I see abuse on my stuff, I delete it (like on YouTube) because I won't tolerate that kind of things. I've had heated convos with people here, but it always ended with us understanding each other better, even if we didn't agree.
What I know of Kafka, is that he can be passionate at times. I can realte to that, though I won't publicly show it all the time. He won't hide from it and will show it. In a way, it's a way to be vulnerable.
Could that have been the cause of him being targeted, perhaps, but it is not a fault in my opinion. He saw a wrong being done, he called it out. He saw abuse being repeated, he repeatedly called it out. If that got him targeted, probably, but it's also what is necessary. If no one had ever said anything to me that I was being abused when I was, I would not have one day opened my eyes and realised it was true. Did it cause friction? Yes! Did it make me angry? Yes! But it helped me, saved me. I would do the same for others. Granted this is different than witnessing real live abuse, but it is repeated behaviour that is unfair. We need people who are not afraid to stand up for others and call others out.
I think that even if Kafka had had the most amicable approach, been diplomatic with his words, used non-vigilant communication to a T, it would not have changed a thing. He was still calling them out, pointing out something he believed to be wrong, like upvoting a comment that insults another with an upvote worth $80.
But I would like to know more about how trolls act, because I just see it either abusive behaviour or not.
Good stuff, Luke. Always appreciate your honestly.
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