Leo Threads discussions giveaway: Would you renew your enrollment with a traitor?

in #leofinance2 years ago

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Today's beneficiaries are missing. Again.


Anyways, there will be a change in my posting schedule. Not as if anyone gives a crap. My discussion posts are as good as a daily post so that will change.
Instead of one "normal" and one "batshit crazy" discussion post in 24 hours, I will post only the latter. I will preserve time and possibly get some juice to power up my discussion posts.

It is very important for me to get feedback and get the conversation going, and as you can see I am getting none despite all the effort and interaction. The reason for it can be quite simple, for example, this could be a trap.

For today I have a question for you. Situations are complex and I will go to lengths. It covers two cases. They are all about the same issue, just different packaging. The first one is an internal matter of Hive and includes multiple people, and the second one at this moment, is just one and it is external.


Fraud on Hive doesn't go just an inch deep and it is not limited to stiff generated content, stolen identities, layer-protected images, and video cutouts. That only seems refined. A person can easily make thousands of profiles and elegantly use that to create a whole Potemkin village, farming rewards, and plundering giveaways. But, if found, the whole thing falls like a house of the cards.

I have multiple accounts on Hive and other websites myself, some are acquired ( bought and transferred) and some are created. Why? I hand them out for other content creators to use, I try to organize people and so far very inefficiently onboard them.

Is this my fault? No. The sheer volume of people who left due to low income, and the fact that we have one of the strongest anti-abuse policies makes people deflect.

One of those deflectors after being a part of my discontinued group wanted to sell me her own profile, double the price - which I created and she only had a posting key.
Yeah, sure. I don't think so.

Actually, if I am not wrong, claiming accounts is made possible by an infrastructure, if you are big enough you can claim some already used usernames on Hive. I don't know what is the actual latency for a claim or if this is still an available feature.

All of the accounts which I created are different, have different topics, and visibly different styles of writing. I love stupid names, so they all have either a very interesting identity or just a username of an originator. At this point, they are inactive, because for a change I don't have a content group. And I don't want a group anymore.

You will see why in continuation.

Having those accounts look as if I have a multiple personality disorder. I don't. I have a multiple-wallet disorder.
And by default, a group of nervous writers breathing down my neck.

When I started this? 2010.
Two months after I got online, I gathered people and started freelancing platforms.

How was it? Awful.

I never met a herd of cattle so attachment-prone, bitter, self-insufficient, and verbally inapt in describing their own emotional convulsions, than the content creators I worked with. Besides the unlucky case of the super troll. That case deserves a special category. Of hell. To burn with the rest of those assholes. At least he will be in a company.

I basically became a shrink to some, and in a few cases ended up in a not exactly glorified or mention-worthy way.

Immediately when things didn't go as expected, that bunch of scabs went after a nerd. Because of that scribbling pest, I am not a person who makes things easier, creates something, and organizes stuff. No. I somehow wasn't even a person at that point for them. I am a hack and I am most definitely doing something shady. We don't know, there is no proof, but just in case let's torch that anon to be absolutely sure. What kind of logic is that?

First case

I was actually blamed by the same idiot on multiple occasions, that I hacked and destroyed two content mills. Which I didn't. The same people ( one, in particular, having multiple ids) I was collaborating with working on those websites, and I would never ever endanger their source of income.
That is business. That has nothing to do with me having a brief with the little bitch of an admin, or in the second case, being accused by nothing provoked.

That bitchy motherfucker couldn't find their own ass with two hands and a compass. And what he did with that was a complete beta move. Like, sugar, the squirrel is gifted in comparison.
I didn't actually say that, considering the situation I was very nice.

Some of those people (the website of course collapsed because wtf) came to Hive ( then Steemit), and all but one ( not active anymore) completely ignored me. And then I found out that some of those daisies have their double profiles presented as multiple people, participating in the same reward initiatives.

So, this is not another topical blog, or blog under the same user for another community, or action, frontend, or just because. It was used to acquire high rewards for the same thing.

Are they doing the wrong thing?
I don't know. I am not ethically proficient to determine this matter in detail. Explanation? Continue.
Should I report them?
Logically I should, but I am not limited by subpar rules of logic. I don't conclude about complex issues only logically and on the base of two-dimensional predicaments.

I don't see a level of deception that is alarming, but the fact that it is done is renting an unnecessary space in my mind.

I know that they did wrong. So why I am hesitant?

Because - this is technical - putting out just a single person who is working so much, sounds inefficient, while supporting all those shadows on Hive who are receiving rewards because farming can go a long way and assume colorful forms due to how much a blockchain infrastructure allows it.

Because by doing so, I am protecting the self-serving interest of the dominant party ( in fact there are many in here, but never mind), and exploiting an unelected tribunal against heretics.

Where is the difference? How that can possibly make things better?


It is all fun and joy until the system starts corroding. Cancer also has explosive growth. Until it kills its host.

My groups and accounts are registered as such, all under my savings and diary account ( also inactive at this point) and I don't pretend to be another person, and if there is any confusion I am perfectly available to explain in detail.

The only problem I have and the only thing that is an issue here with the account creation is that with every new writer, I needed to create a new crypto account. Paying for failure drained the little of the goodwill I had left.

I gladly did it, but when I was doing it and I had this speck of doubt that a person is not a noob, it doesn't need assistance, but just exploits for easy money, and I am doing completely unnecessary tasks just to please them, I wondered what else they had on the list.

I frequently talk about my endeavors and the groups I create. I rarely share how it goes on micro level, or who is included and all the uncomfortable things.
My screenshots would blow your mind.

Because nobody gives a shit to read all of that and it sounds a bit stretched, and then you have a case out of the blue like the other day telling me I am just complaining, being lazy and they are so full of it, and it sounds so salty and in purpose. Now maybe they are triggered. Maybe. No worries, People like that evaporate within a year. So, if you wonder why would somebody without any reason, whom I never had any contact with, never said anything to them, and who visibly does not do any work whatsoever but suck up to folks, goes after me, maybe you understand now.

I was very attentive to writers' needs and requirements, and more frequently than not the treatment was not reciprocated.


Second case

For example, the last installation of Pranz, my edu hub, was hosted on an experimental platform/s for a trial, and afterward on a self-hosted WordPress, and posts were jammed into Hive through a plugin. I administered their accounts and content ( under full copyright to the author), so they were getting paid without all the additional complications, technicalities, corrections, grammar checks... yadda, yadda, yadda ... and time-wasting.

I had a group organized really well, for them, and they were paid significantly more than it was an actual output of their content. All but one requested payment in BCH. That one was sus from the start, and later told me he is some big head from Hive and came to check what shady thing I am doing over here. And he confirmed there is no abuse and the page has no future. Well, fuck off. Who is that? One of you. I didn't ask for a name. The conversation expired and that was it.

I believe most of these writers came from Noise.Cash and Read.Cash as I was a member there when I started inviting.

A payment that they received from me didn't fulfill their expectations, and after some push and pull between us, they left for Noise.cash/ Read.cash and abandoned the project.

So, what is the problem now?

Noise.Cash was discontinued and the community was transferred to a new website NoiseApp, which doesn't pay unless you are tipped, and Read.Cash basically gives little to nothing at this point.

The major one, a writer who walked on me and initiated the whole thing with group erosion is back. Because he was more eloquent, spoke their mind, sounded more like a boss, was I guess more charismatic, and obviously acted as if he was smarter than me, he pulled everyone out.

Now he is back, ( mentioning some of the others) as he noticed that my project is still on and apparently, he thinks we have to "combine our talents". I am quoting this.

Pranz is a programmatic database, I have some content delivered by AI while hand-made is currently piled up on a blogging subdomain by me, and I am sure as hell that guy saw that and he came up with a plan.

This came a day after I published a Medium post with information about my new team, which mentions a sponsor.
I don't know how much he spies or what a fuck he heard, but ... he's kind of blunt for a mastermind.

If he was innately driven to construct a topical tree, editorial calendar and jam it up all together with automation and AI, and actually work on a project, that's fine. But! I don't think that is the case.

I am pretty sure that at least three writers he mentioned are that same person, but to my own accord in the previous website I decided to overlook that because if that dude wanted to do a job for multiple people, I was perfectly fine paying him.
I also specified in my terms, rules, or whatever, that a person is allowed to create multiple accounts under the project.

This was a unique trait to Pranz, because what was paid was an effort and content creation, essentially. So fooling or defrauding with multiple accounts doesn't do anything. A person is still paid by the effect and not by the account.

That's of course completely different on Hive. A single person can do major destruction with a few hundred accounts competing in the same category or in the same reward spree.

But this is exactly what he is doing on a microscale with me.
That's why that kind of deception in this kind of system is so dangerous. It doesn't matter if I personally have ethical ambivalence reporting them, but it adds up.
The problem is that I do experience bleak moments of compassion.

I know this was very long and exhausting, but as I said, these cases are not simple, and my question for you is in the title. So, would you?

Thanks for reading.