This was an amazing read @crytpogee. But if we are considering alternative version of ourself or planet, it is also fair to consider an alternative universe possible where the Big Bang never occurred.
And relating to your dice in a box illustration, it implies that the alternative versions of us are exactly like us. I watch alot of SCI FI and it has made me understand that different versions of ourselves are formed from choices we make, so I'd say from your dice illustration that those alternate versions implies may not necessarily be the same. They make look and behave like us but there may also be changes. I'm just implying that they may not necessarily be the same as us
Very interesting topic and post! Made me think that maybe there is an exact copie of me for a short period of time but in the long run it seems impossible: surroundigs and conditions we live in affects us and our appearances (causes e.g. Oxidative stress). We would have to live in perfeclty copied surroundings with my copy and experiece exactly same things so that we would remain the same. Do you think this makes any sense?
This is an interesting theory, and if we were just a collection of atoms, of course, there would be a copy of you out there.
Fortunately, we are all unique, in all of space and time.
The ramifications of the double slit experiment is that the universe doesn't hold superfluous information. Meaning, if there was actually two of you, it would just be you, in two places.
Further, what we call scientific laws are not the same galaxy to galaxy. In your analogy, that means this galaxy uses 6 sided dice in its boxes, and andromeda uses 7 sided dice (with different symbols), so there can never be a match.
Yes, your statistics are correct, but the assumptions are invalid.
Reesteem. Nice to see the infinite monkey theorem applied here. But i like to disagree :D
Im not sure if the borel cantelli lemma isnt more binary then we biologists think it is
only IF there is infinite amount of time (wich is possibly not the case) THEN anything will happen
if there is no infinite amount of time, then most things are practicaly impossible (like life originating by random bruteforcing)
but however since evolution uses an intelligent algorithm (with selection + mutation) it does not depend on pure randomness (the monkeys)
it is like bruteforcing a SHA-256 generated private Key, not possible in practice even with quantum computation because it needs 256² iterations or something like this. But with an intelligent search alogorithm even the MIT cracked the Key of IOTAs Curl-Algorithm (which most people dont know) in no time. https://github.com/mit-dci/tangled-curl/blob/master/vuln-iota.md
*"intelligence" not in the sense of intelligent design (the blind watchmaker)
this is how to falsificate this logicaly without using speculative assumtions of multiverses (which has no proof at all...but of course its possible, like everything is possible, as longs as there is no certainty...which will never be the case)
Hmmmmm, interesting piece this @cryptogee. Am amazed at your power to carefully analyse a scenario like this. Although no two persons are the same but I will agree with you on another basis which I found to be amazing, sometimes you will feel like you have done something you are doing right now. That moment will feel magical to you. Like the way it was scripted on the past is the exact way it is happening again. I think at that moment we witness a self probability of same events, so if there is a self probability, I believe there will be a cross probability as well. Although that scope is wide. But your analysis certainly shed some light on the matter
I am always a day behind on these! I mentioned the monkeys in my comment on your last post lol. A day late and a dollar short as we say here.
It seems to me there is very little magic in the end. With science we continually get a peek at the real Oz or the man behind the curtain...it all boils down to math and physics. I have been challenged on this by math guys that argue it is ALL math, but I say why squabble.
I agree it could , but not would no matter how much time went by.
There would be no other choice but to :-)
Cg
This was an amazing read @crytpogee. But if we are considering alternative version of ourself or planet, it is also fair to consider an alternative universe possible where the Big Bang never occurred.
And relating to your dice in a box illustration, it implies that the alternative versions of us are exactly like us. I watch alot of SCI FI and it has made me understand that different versions of ourselves are formed from choices we make, so I'd say from your dice illustration that those alternate versions implies may not necessarily be the same. They make look and behave like us but there may also be changes. I'm just implying that they may not necessarily be the same as us
Absolutely! There could be an infinite number of universes and this could be the first one that has produced organic life, or indeed intelligent life.
Only in appearance, of course an exact copy of you would have lived his own life , with his own hopes and dreams.
So yeah, you definitely filled in the blanks for me there! :-)
Cg
Very interesting topic and post! Made me think that maybe there is an exact copie of me for a short period of time but in the long run it seems impossible: surroundigs and conditions we live in affects us and our appearances (causes e.g. Oxidative stress). We would have to live in perfeclty copied surroundings with my copy and experiece exactly same things so that we would remain the same. Do you think this makes any sense?
This post was really educative, I remember back then in college when probability theory was one of My best topic. It's really not magical
It isn't, but it does seem magical when viewed from a particular angle :-)
Cg
This is an interesting theory, and if we were just a collection of atoms, of course, there would be a copy of you out there.
Fortunately, we are all unique, in all of space and time.
The ramifications of the double slit experiment is that the universe doesn't hold superfluous information. Meaning, if there was actually two of you, it would just be you, in two places.
Further, what we call scientific laws are not the same galaxy to galaxy. In your analogy, that means this galaxy uses 6 sided dice in its boxes, and andromeda uses 7 sided dice (with different symbols), so there can never be a match.
Yes, your statistics are correct, but the assumptions are invalid.
Reesteem. Nice to see the infinite monkey theorem applied here. But i like to disagree :D
Im not sure if the borel cantelli lemma isnt more binary then we biologists think it is
only IF there is infinite amount of time (wich is possibly not the case) THEN anything will happen
if there is no infinite amount of time, then most things are practicaly impossible (like life originating by random bruteforcing)
but however since evolution uses an intelligent algorithm (with selection + mutation) it does not depend on pure randomness (the monkeys)
it is like bruteforcing a SHA-256 generated private Key, not possible in practice even with quantum computation because it needs 256² iterations or something like this. But with an intelligent search alogorithm even the MIT cracked the Key of IOTAs Curl-Algorithm (which most people dont know) in no time. https://github.com/mit-dci/tangled-curl/blob/master/vuln-iota.md
*"intelligence" not in the sense of intelligent design (the blind watchmaker)
Yeah damn agree with your lect like rain happen or not its also probability
And wha you say if i ask match win or lost or may be drawn
What you say is there a probability or not???
Hmmmmm, interesting piece this @cryptogee. Am amazed at your power to carefully analyse a scenario like this. Although no two persons are the same but I will agree with you on another basis which I found to be amazing, sometimes you will feel like you have done something you are doing right now. That moment will feel magical to you. Like the way it was scripted on the past is the exact way it is happening again. I think at that moment we witness a self probability of same events, so if there is a self probability, I believe there will be a cross probability as well. Although that scope is wide. But your analysis certainly shed some light on the matter
I am always a day behind on these! I mentioned the monkeys in my comment on your last post lol. A day late and a dollar short as we say here.
It seems to me there is very little magic in the end. With science we continually get a peek at the real Oz or the man behind the curtain...it all boils down to math and physics. I have been challenged on this by math guys that argue it is ALL math, but I say why squabble.
Instead of learning statistics, acknowledging this fact will make life easier.
A Nice and very insightful post
Agreed with you, an interesting post indeed.