I have watched this debate and actually, they both annoy me. I know it is the purpose of debates, but it strayed from being interesting to sounding like two people wanting to make a point and be right instead of exchanging ideas and talking about what works and why. At times I thought they were both poopyheads! :) (I loved that and so true!.. Statist LasseElhers used to call us that anytime we disagreed with him. )
They both did make some interesting points.