"Just as libertarians will never see the end of government"
please don't tell me you mean the right wing, because that word originally referred to leftist. Again, I have the examples of revolutionary Spain and Ukraine.
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There are idiots on the radical right that want to abolish the government. There are idiots on the left that want to abolish capitalism.
It's funny. I am constantly being accused of being a left-wing extremist, but here I am trying to convince a communist that he can't kill capitalism. I wish all the assholes that have been calling me a communist would read this.
#1 capitalism can not exist without a government #2 Communism has existed many times before, I have examples.
You are stupid.
It may have worked before, but times change. Globalization is a thing now, and socialist democracies are winning the game.
Capitalism can not exist without government, and in a globalized economy, government can not exist without capitalism.
If you are going to resort to insults and personal attacks, please do better than "You are stupid."
"socialist democracies "
socialist democracies are where the workers control the means of production through democracy lmao
"and in a globalized economy, government can not exist without capitalism."
no, they can not exist without trade
In a globalized economy, capitalism and trade are one and the same. The only way around that would be to not participate in any trade with capitalists. Good luck with that.
capitalism includes private ownership of the means of production, in other words "capital".
The name is literally based off of it. You have no understanding of the economic system you try and defend.
You shouldn't assume to know what a crypto-currency enthusiast knows about economics.
All of us use what we have to make life better for ourselves, and to work and trade with others. That's what capitalism is to me.
You are using a computer and your steem power to make money for yourself. You are capitalizing on the tech, the platform, and your crypto-currency holdings. That means you are a capitalist. What do you think of that?
"The only way around that would be to not participate in any trade with capitalists. "
actually the capitalists tend to embargo every socialist country, to hurt its economy.
If socialism doesn't work why did the US try to assassinate Fidel Castro 700 times?
Man, I get it. There are some nasty people out there. They use capitalism to hurt others. That doesn't mean all capitalists are responsible for the atrocities committed by the bad actors. There are good capitalists out there. They are our allies in the struggle. They offer resources that we may not be able to win without, so it is foolish to turn them away. Political purism only helps our enemies divide and conquer us.
capitalism rewards greed. Capitalism is directly responsible for what comes out of that.
Greed is it's own reward. Capitalism is just the vehicle that connects the greed to the material. The responsibility falls on the individual actor.
This paper by Albert Eisenstein addresses why that is wrong and stupid.
https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/
"There are good capitalists out there. "
capitalism is a system of oppression, it can not exist without death and imperialism.
I bought groceries at WinCo foods today. The only death and imperialism I saw was in the meat department, but we can debate veganism another day. Seriously though, WinCo is pretty awesome. They are 100% employee owned. They take care of their people, and share the profits and workload equally.
I'll admit they are hard to find, but there really are good capitalists out there. I like to consider myself one of them.
20 million die of poverty a year. Up to 90% of some crops are thrown away simply because they don't look good enough to sell in a first world country's market. We produce (30%?) more food than we need to survive as a species, and yet millions starve.
That's the death.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/
They wouldn't be too poor to afford their own food if capitalism could survive without imperialism.
I watched the video. Most of it was stuff I was already aware of.
There is no excuse for millions to starve, but blaming capitalism diverts blame from those responsible for this injustice. Greedy assholes and fools that refuse to work together for the common good are to blame here.
Capitalism has existed long before imperialism. Empires use capitalism as a tool, but again the tool is neutral, and blaming it deflects blame from the true perpetrator.
"I'll admit they are hard to find, but there really are good capitalists out there. "
You uphold a system that has been proven kills 2.5 times per capita than the worst propaganda even says about communism.
You are delusional or evil, I don't care which.
A system proven to kill millions is a bad system. That is true if it is 1 million or 2.5 million. Again I would point out that you should blame individual actors for their atrocities, not the tools they used to carry their deeds out.
The folks at my local food co-op are not responsible for the evil things done by imperial capitalists. Likewise, I am not responsible for the things my government may be doing right now. I uphold my moral obligation by consuming responsibly and voting for progressives. I do what I can, and it does make a difference, especially when I do so with millions of others.
Let me ask you a serious question. How are you above participation in capitalism? You are likely typing your responses on an electronic device created by and purchased from capitalists. Do you pay rent, or own a home? If you do, you are a capitalist, and you are just as guilty of whatever evil or delusion you accuse me of.