I found myself asking recently; is using NLP and similar modalities with people who don't know it/of it ethical and does it infringe on free-will... i.e. how do you use it without being manipulative?... Wondering your thoughts... Also thought I already followed you before, but deffo am now...
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When you try to convince anyone about anything and even when you are just talking you are using persuasive techniques whether you like it or not. You are doing it in this comment :), are you doing anything wrong? Is it wrong to be better at it? Is it wrong to use it in benefit of others like Tonny Robbins or Milton?
There is 100% nothing wrong with being better in communication, I would recommend anyone to get into the subject, it's crucial in this world, at the end the people who lack social skills hurt themselves mentally... I was one of them.
We can lie to ourselves that we never try to convince anyone to do anything and we never argue for our ideas beliefs... we are doing it... right now :)
Have a good day my brother.
Well said... agree totally...
I'm happy we see eye to eye now 🙂
still there is the dark side on it - with greater power comes greater responsibility...
It is one thing to be able to take control the other thing is, to recognize when one should not. Basicly because limiting the others free will.
So I mostly agree, and I've fallen into the trap myself to not dare to take control to communicate deeply into the other person but more outwards of me, because of the hope we will synchronize on objectivity. ^^
Still even knowing I hurt myself, it is not completely wrong.
As in Everything the most benefit is to recognize the polarity - explore both poles, and then train the dance to turn from one into the other as it's most fitting to the current situation.
Free will is an illusion... everything happened, happened through pre-existing conditions. If you want to be any kind of Leader, Spokesman, Salesman, Therapist, Social worker, Teacher.... almost anything, you are going to influence people... and you better do it good!
You are handling fire, It can burn your house and hurt everyone around you, but it can also cook food for your family.
Yes agree, aaand exactly - illusion not delusion.
As same as the fire example I would directly instanciate the Example on general Illusions.
There exists the situation where one may cripple the other people's illusions which are responsible for a significant part of their further development. Or like some most entertaining movies create weird illusions about love and how things work which cannot be kept in real life and might have them then people "misadjusted" for the rest of their life. In this way also Art has this same kind of responsibility.
As one may oppose a version where we achieve cooperation in our illusion to help us mutually strenghen our most helpful ones.
And for the article, just the salesmen attitude is giving it some slight bad taste.
so true
I have had the same questions @darcturian
I turned to NLP to help me hack my own self out of self-imposed limitations and then started also recognizing how many people turn to NLP to essentially "hack" others to do what they want.
@paps I agree with you that learning to improve communication with others is a merit-worthy reason to learn about NLP.
I suppose it's the INTENT that's important... I personally use such techniques to get across the genuine me in situations... but I respect free-will... so if I said here, check out my latest post on beliefs here ... I'm not manipulating you to do so... but I'd be grateful if you gave it a read... my intent is good, although subconsciously I may using some sort of magick ;)
I agree with what you said. I also use techniques for improved communication with others.
I'll give your post a look. (But only because I think you are cool and make good points. hahaha)