RE: Is It Ethical To Eat Meat?

[kyriacos]

Two things:

[1.] PlAnts might actually perceive pain in their own way

[2.] Veganism is not as environmentally beneficial as people think

https://qz.com/749443/being-vegan-isnt-as-environmentally-friendly-as-you-think/

Comments

[trafalgar]

1. is true, but our best guess is that the extent to one can experience pain is heavily correlated with how far up the phylogenetic tree the species is. So chances are they experience far less pain.

2. my satirical take was just comparing the morality of the issue. There are a lot of practical questions of which environmental impact is one. my guess would be that the vegans win out by a lot here, purely due to the higher efficiency in calories from an input/output perspective, but not sure

[kyriacos]

1. True but does it really matter when the argument is made in regards to ethos? We are at the top after all so anything goes. Also, complex cognition does not require cortex

http://www.cell.com/trends/cognitive-sciences/abstract/S1364-6613(16)00042-5

1. I know man. The point here is that nobody can be a vegan. It is impossible. We view food in a linear way but it doesn't roll out like this. I'll write a post about it. So at the end of the day not even caloric efficiency can be attained.

[teamsteem]

Whether plant feels pain or not doesn't negate the fact that animal agriculture necessitate a lot more plant than vegan diet. Also when we use anesthesiant on animal we can clearly see the part of their brain which usually light up when they would feel pain stay un-stimulated. Also when human wake up we can ask them and they have no recollection of pain.

About that study you mention I've read countless article about it and how it was poorly reported.

Here's one.

If from this limited sampling, with many more like them, you would reasonably conclude this study found that veganism is bad for the environment after all, believe it or not, you’d be... dead wrong.

A closer look shows that the research was grossly oversimplified and the truth obfuscated by multiple media outlets in an insidious manner that should concern everyone, vegan or not.

To date, no major media outlet has called out this influx of context-lacking articles for the insidious smear campaign against veganism they are participating in, whether consciously or not.

https://www.truthordrought.com/single-post/2016/09/12/Articles-About-Vegans-Environment-Worse-for-Humanity-Than-You-Think

[kyriacos]

About that study you mention I've read countless article about it and how it was poorly reported.

Referencing articles that say "those articles are wrong because they are wrong" is not actually evidence or an argument. You need to work on your research skills. You need evidence, not statements. The article I provided supplies research.

Whether plant feels pain or not doesn't negate the fact that animal agriculture necessitate a lot more plant than vegan diet.

wrong. I just provided evidence that it doesn't

Also when we use anesthesiant on animal we can clearly see the part of their brain which usually light up when they would feel pain stay un-stimulated. Also when human wake up we can ask them and they have no recollection of pain.

Irrelevant. different forms of life have different physiology.

[teamsteem]

The article I provided clearly show that the scientific publication was poorly reported by the media and the conclusion of the study wasn't the one portrayed by the media.

You're wrong on so many points plus.

"The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." Alberto Brandolini

I rarely enjoy arguing with you because most of the interaction we had in the past, you have come up so off most of the time with what seem to be a lack of consideration for other people emotions and intentions.

That's the vibe I get from you.

[kyriacos]

The article I provided clearly show that the scientific publication was poorly reported by the media and the conclusion of the study wasn't the one portrayed by the media.

no it doesn't. Here is the actually study to compare.
https://www.elementascience.org/articles/10.12952/journal.elementa.000116/

You're wrong on so many points plus.

Saying I am wrong without evidence doesn't make you right. It makes you entitled.

"The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." Alberto Brandolini

Repeating the same mantra in every thread also doesn't make you right. it just makes you sensational. Ok, you found one quote. Good for you. Use it wisely and thoughtfully. It is not actually a joker card that wins all hands.

I rarely enjoy arguing with you because most of the interaction we had in the past, you have come up so off most of the time with what seem to be a lack of consideration for other people emotions and intentions.

No, you just don't enjoy being refuted. You rarely provide any evidence with your arguments and even when you do they are extremely poor.

I am not in here to please anyone. I apologized for coming too strong to a friend/family member of yours but really that was because there is that much tinfoil I can accept. When it can cause the death of millions then I speak up.

I debated almost all the whales in here. Some remain sour and emotional like you. Some see past all that and they remain objective.

Also. don't worry. I am preparing an article right now demonstrating that it is impossible to be a vegetarian. physically impossible.

[teamsteem]

Thank you robot @kyriacos. I hope people that think like you can find a way to you. Enjoy yourself.

Everyone, being vegetarian is physically impossible. So for all vegetarian out there please just pretend you aren't of that you're dead because it totally doesn't fit @kyriacos's "fact".

[kyriacos]

Τhey have found a way. I started with zero steem power, zero influence, keeping it real and direct and look at me after a year.

Everyone, being vegetarian is physically impossible. So for all vegetarian out there please just pretend you aren't of that you're dead because it totally doesn't fit @kyriacos's "fact".

Oh, you will find out how and why soon enough. Don't be rush to comment. Remember, the blockchain, is forever. :)

[kyriacos]

@teamsteem

delivered as promised. I would like to see your counter arguments.

You Can't be A Vegetarian