hmmm, yes i guess we do disagree :) somehow.
i do not mind your long answer and i'm glad something resonated in you to write about. i know that feelingwell,it often spawns more interesting posts than writing "alone" ;)
i just feel we have entirely different frames of reference, things we hold dear or deem likely or possible.which i welcome.
i believe in non-coercion thoroughly. which is why i reject government entirely. there is no logic behind a government, other than the fear narratives we keep hearing, the "but ifs". the biggest thug is the government, not the other people suffering under government's actions. we also live in a control structure of guilt and scarcity amd have been doing so ever since coercion started.
if you believe you need a government to defend against potential aggressors and criminals, so be it. i feel we need more back-bony people that don't wait for a government to sort everything out. and that will come the more it becomes apparent that a government cannot logically ever take good care of us. because we consent to being coerced, and make ourselves small, we offer ourselves, like the people you described from the covid time, and so the natural result is we get tyrants. always. we have people we don't know limiting our frame of reference by relaying tales in words, amd thereby an entire approach to life.
it is natural and unavoidable when you ask someone to make rules for you to live by.
from what i "know", the mazdans cherished the idea of non-coercion before the greeks and romans, and eventually the christians adopted their core tenets twisted them and spread it around so that we now think we are christians fundamentally. i am really not that sure anymore. because too much of christianity is a bad spell on the psyche as opposed to the mazdan ideas i found liberating in contrast.
can i be wrong? of course!
i learned about zoroastrian and the proto-indo european faith and the tenets simply resonate more than anything i have ever heard christians say. no coercion. no convincing. no arguing. because how can you argue with that which is as divine as you are? there is no point, other than to deny actual truth speaking its truth right in front of you. the christian "western" interpretations have eroded that view and completely substituted it for a different approach we modern people still have in our bones to this day. but is it therefore our real roots as a "culture"? to me: no it's not. it's no more real than believing we live on a spinning sphere, it's just normal to our spproach right now.
the truth may seem objective to you and i don't disagree entirely, it's just that the physical world is not all of existence and other people's views can be valid within their frame of reference simultaneously to yours. insisting on truth being objective depends entirely on the viewer, and his experience. it could therefore be said that all is objective always,especially radical subjectivity i may disagree with, because it follows a certain viewpoint's (individual's) logic to its conclusion. i see what you are saying with the mountain example, i grew up in the same culture. but it is not "true" it's just a way of thinking we confuse with objectivity. the ego mind makes a mountain something other but on a different paradigm it is not.
that is also where and why words fail. the mode is insufficient to analyse the issue.
i for one have a hard time listening to people telling me what reality and truth are, when they are people who have never been on a psychedelic experience themselves. i respect "their" view but i know from experience it is not the whole story. what one can say IN THEORY about life and existence, is "meaningless blabber" as you put it in the face of immediate experience. there is a reason speech fails when on a shroom trip - because words are walls and distract from the immediate and inexplicably mysterious. christianity may have once been closely associated with amanita muscaria, but that has long ceased to be he case, you can no longer ask a shroom directly to talk to god in feeling and omages, but need priests instead relying on words and a paradigm of separation.
human priests.
this place is unbelievably magic, we have just gotten used to our day to day viewpoint and the tales of "our christian" culture that we can't see any longer just how much we have been coerced in our fundamental perception and interpretation of life.
i still get the feeling we are not hearing one another. i mean no disrespect at all here, and i take your view as what you feel you think you saw and experience. it is valid. just not objectively valid for everyone. because separation is a convincing idea in 3d.
van is done and i will finally be on the road soon! so no more commenting on my part for now. ahahha.
thank you for giving me the chance to reflect and reassess what i do hold in faith and what i don't. you are doing me a service by reminding me and i hope my comments find you well and in a spirit of eye-level communication rather than ideological coercive attack on your truth perceptions.
blessings to you