As many have seen, there's been some SteemIt profiles around that are "claiming" to bring transparency or open-ness of the rampant bid-botting.
I for one, see NOTHING wrong with it, as majority of SteemIt accounts are minnows, and yes, we should share the wealth of SteemIt around. No use just having a few accounts horde the whole amount of Steem.
These accounts against bid bots claim that it's "destroying" the SteemIt ecosystem, etc. etc.
Well first, many minnows actually post lots of quality content, but guess what ... they will NEVER get seen, because there's too much CRAP SHIT of one picture post, or one line sentence post. Okay, I get those posts are spam, trash, and there needs to be a way to monitor that, but honestly, for accounts like me and others who diligently post and want to have ways to "both" connect with other SteemIt members, while making some Steem money, then REINVESTING our SBD or Steem to bid bot helps us earn more Steem/SBD ... and believe it or not, those against bid bots forget that at least 1/4 to 1/3 of the post payout actually goes to "curators", and NOT authors.
I noticed two accounts, [@]transparency and [@]sadkitten who've both continue to auto-bot messages to each of my post, either letting me know of how much each of the bid bots has upvoted me, or in the latter's account case, let me know that they'll continue to downvote my posts each day.
Well guess what ... I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!
Again, I feel that the positive of bid bots has done for me is:
1. Increase my exposure (one of my posts, when I wrote it as my First Post in Spanish) garnered a total of 98 comments, 460 views, and 288 upvotes. That would NOT have been possible if I didn't do any self-voting.
2. Again using the example of the Spanish post, I had used only [@]appreciator and [@] postpromoter which [@]transparency account so nicely posted (spammed) on my comment section. So thanks for letting me know that I was upvoted around $94 USD ... of which half of it I had to pay in SBD, so really, I only netted about $39 in profit from my self upvote, since at least 1/4 to 1/3 of that amount goes to the curators themselves. Then the rest of profit that went to me as author and to other curators was from combination of other people's upvotes.
3. Self up-voting does NOT mean that the author gets all of the payout ... that people forget that some of the payouts goes to curators as well.
4. Lastly, curation rewards have been going down considerably? Why not open up that more often ... then people wouldn't need to rely on writing content to make more Steem. Right now, it's NOT lucrative at all to curate vs. creating content.
5. Those auto bots against bid bots would convince me more so, if they had READ my content and commented based on my content ... but guess what .. it's just an auto-post ... so guess what .... I don't give a shit what your auto-bot post has to say.
Anyways, great thing about SteemIt is its decentralized nature ... so that means, everyone has right to their opinion on this platform.
So guess what ... all you against bid bots are entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to mine.
As well, I am entitled to do with my hard earned Steem, Steem Power, and SBD as I wish, as you are entitled to your share of Steem, Steem Power, and SBD as you wish.
So, here's to my self-vote with bid bots, and no surprise, I welcome your auto posts [@]transparency and [@]sadkitten and anyone else LOL. It's actually comical.
And lastly, thank you SteemIt for the "MUTE" button, you will be muted if you "spam" my account.
Regardless of whether I agree with your opinion or not, I respect the fact that you're helping other users out
I'll help anyone on SteemIt with anything they need, whether it's figuring out how to create better posts, or how to transfer Steem/SBD in-and-out of accounts, etc. I've always been around to help others.
Aloha hustler,
Talk about timing of this post...about 30 minutes ago I was looking for your answer to my question about bots and I could not find it after searching every where on Steemit.
I wanted to use the same bots that you used to promote my content. I have been blogging constantly for 2 months but was not getting the result $ vs the time I spent.
I tried smart steem on my 3 posts and I saw a good result.
I will use the post promoter but I can not figure out the Biding the up vote...so confusing.
How to use post promoter? do you know any good author in here that explains it well.
perhaps, you could do a detailed post of how to buy upvotes on post promoter.
You need to transfer SBD to the bid bot account ... so you'd go to your Wallet section:
input the account name,
then how much SBD you will send (again, each bid bot minimum is different, some don't have minimum, but for those that do, usually sending at least 4 SBD should suffice), and then in
Memo area, you would copy/paste link of the post you want the upvote to go to.
Make sure the account name you send is correct.
Does the above make more sense? It's as easy as that.
what part of this WALLET area do I sent SBD to the bot company?
There's a down arrow next to your SBD amount ... there's a down arrow to actually any of those arrows.
Is this your first time transferring any amount of any kind to anyone?
Never sent SBD to anyone. Looks like I need to chose " Transfer" and fill out @ " " ( person or bot I am sending to)
Yea like my instructions in comment I wrote above. Note that when you send, the upvote from the bid bot doesn't happen until anywhere from 15 minutes to up to 1.5-2 hours later.
Good to know that it take 15 min or more for the bid bot to take in affect.....did not know that. mahalo.
You also have to be aware that there are plenty of scam and spam bid bot accounts as well ... so to tell the difference, you can do some self research by checking out that bid bot's wallet account "history" of other people who've sent SBD/Steem for upvotes on their SteemIt posts. As well, checking the bid bot's wallet of how many Steem Power is important as well, as the higher the number they have, the heavier the weight of their upvote is ... but it's all proportional. You'll learn as you experiment and try.
Okay, I will be cautious.
I've checked out your wallet history ... you've transferred SBD to other accounts before in your history.
This is my point exactly. If they knew how hard we have worked to share great content they’d be leaving a much better comment. People can find out we have used bid bots just by looking at who upvoted the post. It’s fairly obvious from there.
No sense in spamming comments that take away from community interaction.
I noticed these accounts just started doing this less than a month ago. Somebody really must be sour for some reason.
Exactly, thank YOU for also agreeing. I mean ... SteemIt is ALREADY transparent ... people can view the "wallet history" as well as like you mentioned, the "upvotes tab" to see the history of these kind of bid bots. I seriously see no problem with these ... and I see these bid bots as a way to healthily redistribute the Steem/SBD across all of the SteemIt community.
Honestly, I just feel like the few whales who want to hoarde the entire amount of their Steem are a bit butt-hurt that bid bots have come up in popularity. I really think there's only a small minority against it, but the majority of the community would be supportive of bid bots promoting quality posts.
We obviously still need to figure out a way to prevent plagiarism and super poor quality text/image content .. but perhaps, we may never have an exact solution to that ... but those few poor quality accounts shouldn't penalize everyone else in majority that is providing great quality for SteemIt.
Transparency is crystal clear here. It’s refreshing to not have the option to throw up a facade. Forces you to stay true to self.
I’m surprised all of the whales haven’t set up their own bid bots. It’s fairly simple on SteemBotTracker. Plus I see some accounts who have thousands and thousands of Steem, and they just sit around and don’t do a whole lot with it. They could capitalize so easily.
As long as our economy keeps thriving, and nothing causes a complete halt, all we really need is consistent growth. There will be nuisances along the way of course.
Through community-wide communication, and strong witnesses.. we will find solutions!
These is a great post for newbies , especially those who want to make a few sbd using bots .
great post
Yes, and it's easier to help others when the post payouts are higher anyways ... then curators can get more of the pie rather than upvoting content that has less than $1 per payout ...
The question is what you are going to do once you are a member of the rich boyz club. Will you take your investment and take the more profitable route of delegating to your bot overlords? Or will you reinvest in the minnows that were neglected like you were?
One path leads to a really nice looking "reverse funnel" scheme and the other leads to a healthier ecosystem. One of those is probably worth more than the other but more people don't spend enough time thinking to really figure out the long-term logistics in their head.
I plan to run contests of sorts (mostly in food and travel contest posts) ... I've wanted to do that but I can't give away tiered awards of 10, 20, 30, 50+ SBD at a time, if my rewards per post was only yielding less than $5 to $10 per payout. I'd basically run out of my own Steem, Steem Power and SBD.
So to answer what you mentioned, I'm doing BOTH. I've delegated lots of my SP to another account to self grow ... and then i'm doing a mixture of bid bots and powering down, so that I'll have SBD laying around to do the contests I want to do. I'm figuring out a balance amongst them all.
Thanks for your constructive questions and comments :)
As you say, you are well within your rights to do whatever code allows you to do here, just as these others are within theirs to 'spam' your posts with their comments.
I do want to point out something about self-upvotes, at least as they are normally defined. It is true, a self-upvote can go towards curation, but it depends on when the self-upvote takes place, just like any other vote (which would include paying bid bots).
If the self-upvote takes place at the same time or within seconds of the post, as most auto-self-upvotes do, all or nearly all of the self-upvote goes to the creator.
It is only as minutes pass that portions of the self-upvote go to the curators, up to 25%.
In the case of this post, and I would imagine others you've made, your self-upvote happened exactly at the same time as the post. The bid bot votes you paid for came sometime after 30 minutes. So, your own self-upovte will go to you solely, while the bid bot votes will be spit between you and curation.
As a matter of course, the self-upvote going only to the creator of the post is going to be eliminated whenever HF 20 drops, so it will be moot then. Of course, we don't know when that's going to be, so it's still in effect until it does.
Obviously, there's an amount ratio here that gets pointed out any time self-upvoting gets mentioned. A few cents as opposed to $30 on up is small in the grand scheme of things, I know. I'm just trying to point out where the rewards go, not whether it's ethical based on any criteria.
I think we are discussing two different concepts ... because the concept of "self voting" from just the creator has been contested quite a bit.
And then there's self voting via "bid bots", which is some other SteemIt account voting for the creator's post via sending some amount of SBD/Steem.
Usually, I'll already have curators who've upvoted me within the first 30 minutes of me posting my post ... and usually the self upvote via bid bots comes in around 20 minutes after post to 1.5 hour after post (all the bid bots upvote at their own time schedule). So NO, those bid bots do NOT upvote my post immediately once I post.
So the people who upvote my post all share in the curation rewards. I've already calculated out that at least 1/4 of the rewards goes to curators on average, and up to at most 1/3 of the rewards goes to curators, of course like you said, is dependent on when the bid bot upvotes the post after the post goes live..
What irks me is that many of these accounts against bid bots do not go over in detail how the rewards actually get distributed, but instead, just focus on the "total rewards" .... when in reality, the total payout NEVER goes exclusively to authors.
In any case, I'm always welcoming the general SteemIt public to figure out the best and most fair way to distribute Steem/SBD ... but unfortunately, it'll of course be political, power ,etc. etc.
Thanks for commenting and aloha :)
Yeah, I'd have to say that the message transparency bot leaves might not be the best worded. If folks are using bid bots to get their posts somewhere that people can see them, and in effect buying advertising or adding to the curation incentive, then I think i'd prefer to see those posts designated as such, somehow. It would be like any other advertising that happens be it Google or Facebook. And that way, the actual reward payout is as much in question because not only do you have the creator/curator split, but you also have the cost of the bids, so there's actually an even smaller net amount. Showing the gross amount of the rewards just seems to get people riled. :) Or as you say, politicized.
Actually .. great ideas you present, they should mark posts with bid bots as "Advertised" or in SteemIt's case ... "Promoted".
Checked out your profile, mentions you are from Oregon ... which part/city?
We are in the Albany area, so between Salem and Eugene, along the I-5 corridor. So, pretty much OSU country since we're close to Corvallis. Doesn't stop us from being Duck fans, though. :)
So, you in Hawaii, or are you trying to hustle back to it? :)
I'm still based out of Hawaii ... but I do my 4 month trips per year because being on a "rock" can make me go stir-crazy haha.
I'm also a Ducks fan, yeeee :P
I am agree with the thing.......only a few people having lots of income and others, that not much.Even though,they may post the quality content.so, it is good way to catch up with them.Whole world is like this, 10% people keeping the 90% percent wealth and remaining 90% people are fighting for rest of the 10% wealth.So,we sould not let that happen here too.Thanks for the sharing, it will help new people like us. I am upvoting and following you...good luck ✌
Yup agree ... it's so funny that the cryptocurrencies and decentralized apps talk so much about "free-ing and helping the world" .. .when in reality ... the same problems from the real world are appearing again in the cryptocurrency world ... it all comes down to control and wealth ... we'll see how SteemIt figures this out in fair way.
but..... since it is not too late...we should ignore the usual ways and criticism in our ways.At least we should try to change....its never gonna happen on its own.we have to make it happen.
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