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RE: πŸ“Œ Post Up S1E1 - Risso Recap, Prizes, & Curation on MSP Waves- Go βœ… Vote Your Favorite Posts.

in #mspwaves β€’ 5 years ago

Cool man. You're entitled to your opinion. I just think that it's kind of short sighted as a strategy.

Curation programs like this set up little tiny pyramids, where my hope is to be noticed by the two people in charge of the curation, and then bestowed HIVE or upvotes if I am 'chosen'.

I'm sure it's going to be a successful show because people like to be 'chosen'.

It's my opinion that people who are posting on HIVE ought to be thinking about how they can build their own audiences.

The game you're advocating people play is about trying to get a lot of people on HIVE to be into their posts, particularly high value voters, so that they can accrue HIVE, and then presumably exit with that HIVE.

This is a standard game, and there's nothing wrong with it, a lot of people are going to interact with the ecosystem this way, because this is the most basic way that people can do that.

Furthermore, It's not what I think people aren't doing 'right' -- as though I have some solutions that they don't have.

But it is a critical stance, which challenges people to think outside of the "Find whales on HIVE and get Upvotes" paradigm, which I think is a loser game.

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It's not just me that thinks it's a loser game as well -- the very existence of shows like this are trying to solve that problem -- 'get noticed by others on hive and get upvotes'.

This show is cool, because it shares information about other areas, and actually encourages people to share posts that are beyond the scope of HIVE -- because they acknowledge that wider ecosystemic awareness and participation is good for both HIVE and creative businesses.

However, the amount of time allotted toward each person, sharing, and the quality of the feedback are not that constructive toward actually empowering creators to monetize their work -- beyond the scope of HIVE.

I already clarified my position on this in the post above.

If there's a way that people can construct their projects so that HIVE posts are a derivative / development blog / project update blog, rather than and end point -- then they can monetize their work IN ADDITION TO HIVE.

That's what the project incubator that @hivehustlers is referring to, and in theory that's what shows like this are attempting to focus on -- I'm just taking time out of my day to offer criticism, because I care about this problem, and I think these people do as well.

What I think these people don't have is my perspective, which is why I shared it.

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If you can actually earn several hundred dollars from creating a song, but instead you just post it on HIVE open mic and earn $5 in rewards, you are doing something 'wrong'.

Whether or not you want to take action on this, is up to you, and the specific solutions that you might find are up to you, and I don't have any solid claims for what may or may not work for people.

I have ideas, that I would be interested in seeing people explore, and so sometimes, when I have the energy to do so, I share them.

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Wow. That's a lot to dissect, but I'll do my best...

Curation programs like this set up little tiny pyramids, where my hope is to be noticed by the two people in charge of the curation, and then bestowed HIVE or upvotes if I am 'chosen'.

Incorrect. Curation programs like this are set up so that people can get their content to a wider audience, not just the show hosts...

However, the amount of time allotted toward each person, sharing, and the quality of the feedback are not that constructive toward actually empowering creators to monetize their work -- beyond the scope of HIVE.

I say again you've seemingly just missed the entire point of the show you joined. The show only ran for what? An hour? Half an hour? How many people would be able to explain some elaborate, "meta" shark-tank-esque idea about how people shouldn't just be trying to get upvotes on their post. The show is called "Post Up", and is centered around sharing "posts" from decentralized social networks like HIVE. You seem upset that your ideas weren't well received (again) because you're not "pushing them at" people who want to listen.

That's what the project incubator that @hivehustlers is referring to, and in theory that's what shows like this are attempting to focus on -- I'm just taking time out of my day to offer criticism, because I care about this problem, and I think these people do as well.

The future plans for incubation through HiveHustlers is nothing like a post curation show. We will help real entrepreneurs build real businesses from the ideas they portray in their posts. One of the things that I personally advocate for IS the idea that using HIVE as a blog for ones business can be a great means of extra income, but shouldn't be relied upon.

If you can actually earn several hundred dollars from creating a song, but instead you just post it on HIVE open mic and earn $5 in rewards, you are doing something 'wrong'.

I've earned $500+ after cashout on a number of my 'Super Cool Science S#!t' articles. These are pieces of content that I posted to Steemit for fun, though they each took hours to create. Did I get picked up by curation groups and whales? Absolutely. Did I put in work for years to build my audience before I finally grabbed the attention of someone willing to support my ideas? You bet your ass I did.

You started off in the show by saying you "don't work for nothing anymore because you've had too many ups and downs with posting". That's unfortunate, but you're trying to apply your own personal ideas and experiences to what someone else should be doing, and I just think it's a flawed mentality.

Have a great day, man. Please don't reply with another novel.

"Please don't reply with another novel."

Get your balls out of my face dude.

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You've missed the point of my messages.

The main problem with the "choose me" strategy of HIVE posting is that it doesn't grow HIVE.

That's the main concern I have with it.

  • You have dissatisfied n00bs, grudging that they didn't get upvotes.
  • You have grudge outcasts, or whatever, complaining about circle jerk vote patterns.
  • You have kind of clueless, but well meaning promotional efforts to promote HIVE and onboard new people, that are largely focused on "Join Hive Cause You Can Earn Rewards for Your Posts!"

There's a problem with these three things, and it's basically a problem of a lack of resources within HIVE in order to meaningfully monetize the creative work that people are creating.

What ends up happening is that people make super small amounts of money, and pull it in, and think that they found another income source to supplement their day job, or whatever.

This creates another problem, which is:

  • Constant sell pressure, and power down pressure on HIVE as a token, which works against the appreciation of the asset on a larger, more sustainable economic scale.

The answer to all of these problems is to basically turn HIVE into a small business incubator, and training ground so that HIVE posters become "Creative Professionals who Grow and Serve Audiences Via HIVE."

There is a distinction here, because what you end up doing is taking money from outside of HIVE to support your business, and attracting audience members from outside of HIVE, to bring into HIVE to follow your work.

This is a fundamentally different approach to using the platform than just posting good content regularly, and hoping to get noticed / chosen / followed by a whale / orca / dolphin / circle jerk / curation project / minnow support / curation trail etc.

And then when the curation trails do happen -- they are happy incidents. And the sell pressure is alleviated, so you can have the ability to take profit when it is advantageous for you to do, instead of whenever you need the money.

If I'm right, which I think I am, then this is a valid critique that ought to be shared, which is why I left it here.

If you don't agree with the general idea of decentralized social platforms like this that can reward content, then by all means, go back to kickstarter so you don't have to be creative for no money.

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