Well like I said it's hard to keep track of, lol. Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, tons of sanctions on Iran (which essentially is an act of war), Syria? Are you asking me or quizzing me? lol. US is very involved militarily in Middle East.
Maybe you'll say those countries aren't predominantly Muslim? I don't know. But that's kind of my point, that restricting immigration from countries who you have made enemies of yours is different than "registry for Muslims"
As far as I know the US is not officially in war with any of these countries. And what about Muslim citizens of other countries?
Besides, who do you think is not registered yet? If you apply for a visa to the US, you get scrutinized, biometrically photographed, fingerprintef and registered. And I can tell you from my experience that if you apply for a work permit visa, you get therally interogated and have to submit a full CV, and from that moment on, it looks like the US immigration authorities know everything about you. So imagine what happens to people who apply for citizenship. The only thing this new registration could mean is that the information will become open to the public. And that's discrimination, which you can expect to have all kinds of implementations that has nothing to do with national security.
I'm talking about their activity, not what's officially declared. If your family is killed or your community is torn apart you don't say "well hmm is there an official declaration from their congress?", you just feel the way you feel about it. Do you actually disagree that the US has made enemies in that part of the world? not sure why you're nitpicking about that.
"And what about Muslim citizens of other countries?
Besides, who do you think is not registered yet? If you apply for a visa to the US, you get scrutinized, biometrically photographed, fingerprintef and registered. And I can tell you from my experience that if you apply for a work permit visa, you get therally interogated and have to submit a full CV, and from that moment on, it looks like the US immigration authorities know everything about you. So imagine what happens to people who apply for citizenship. The only thing this new registration could mean is that the information will become open to the public. And that's discrimination, which you can expect to have all kinds of implementations that has nothing to do with national security."
I should clarify that I'm not claiming to know exactly what US immigration policy should be. Just that it isn't an issue of "rights" (ie right to religious freedom), unless we think immigrating to other countries is something we have a right to.
Personally I don't feel I have a right to immigrate to another country, it seems they could have whatever potentially bizarre or intrusive policy they want, and this wouldn't be violating my "rights" in any way because it seems like just a privilege and my choice to immigrate there. They could make me agree to post my photo on all the milk cartons lol, and I just wouldn't go to that country if it seemed absurd.
Which isn't to say that I favor absurd and unnecessarily strict rules, I'm just responding to the way Fox presents the issue, and to the argument the guest made, and saying it isn't an issue of rights or freedoms.
So you may be right that there are already strict controls and nothing would actually be accomplished by what the republicans are talking about. But that's not the argument the guest made or the type of questions Fox asked.
Regarding Muslims from other countries, of course that's a totally different thing. And that's kind of the point: I don't think anyone is talking about people from Australia who happen to be Muslim. If somebody talks about immigration from X part of the world, the MSM (and sometimes people in general) are quick to make it about "Muslims". It's like, what? The point was what country they are from (that it's a country the US has not been friendly with), not what their religion is.
Well regardless, if it's all Muslims it doesn't change my argument that it's not a matter of "rights" unless we think it's a right to immigrate to another country.
But people (and MSM outlets) commonly make it about religion when the person was talking about a country. So while it could be true that Trump actually said that, I'll wait for a link to it before assuming he said something.
Ya for sure you want to be as clear as possible (not just about "human rights", about anything), but it's possible to use "precision" in a way that isn't useful. If I say John is choking on a hoagie it isn't helpful to quibble about what's a hoagie and what's a sub. The "precision" of whether they officially declared war doesn't seem practical at all, since I'm just making the point that the US has made enemies (and this is true whether it was officially declared as a war or not).
Well like I said it's hard to keep track of, lol. Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, tons of sanctions on Iran (which essentially is an act of war), Syria? Are you asking me or quizzing me? lol. US is very involved militarily in Middle East.
Maybe you'll say those countries aren't predominantly Muslim? I don't know. But that's kind of my point, that restricting immigration from countries who you have made enemies of yours is different than "registry for Muslims"
As far as I know the US is not officially in war with any of these countries. And what about Muslim citizens of other countries?
Besides, who do you think is not registered yet? If you apply for a visa to the US, you get scrutinized, biometrically photographed, fingerprintef and registered. And I can tell you from my experience that if you apply for a work permit visa, you get therally interogated and have to submit a full CV, and from that moment on, it looks like the US immigration authorities know everything about you. So imagine what happens to people who apply for citizenship. The only thing this new registration could mean is that the information will become open to the public. And that's discrimination, which you can expect to have all kinds of implementations that has nothing to do with national security.
I'm talking about their activity, not what's officially declared. If your family is killed or your community is torn apart you don't say "well hmm is there an official declaration from their congress?", you just feel the way you feel about it. Do you actually disagree that the US has made enemies in that part of the world? not sure why you're nitpicking about that.
I should clarify that I'm not claiming to know exactly what US immigration policy should be. Just that it isn't an issue of "rights" (ie right to religious freedom), unless we think immigrating to other countries is something we have a right to.
Personally I don't feel I have a right to immigrate to another country, it seems they could have whatever potentially bizarre or intrusive policy they want, and this wouldn't be violating my "rights" in any way because it seems like just a privilege and my choice to immigrate there. They could make me agree to post my photo on all the milk cartons lol, and I just wouldn't go to that country if it seemed absurd.
Which isn't to say that I favor absurd and unnecessarily strict rules, I'm just responding to the way Fox presents the issue, and to the argument the guest made, and saying it isn't an issue of rights or freedoms.
So you may be right that there are already strict controls and nothing would actually be accomplished by what the republicans are talking about. But that's not the argument the guest made or the type of questions Fox asked.
Regarding Muslims from other countries, of course that's a totally different thing. And that's kind of the point: I don't think anyone is talking about people from Australia who happen to be Muslim. If somebody talks about immigration from X part of the world, the MSM (and sometimes people in general) are quick to make it about "Muslims". It's like, what? The point was what country they are from (that it's a country the US has not been friendly with), not what their religion is.
I'm pretty sure Mr. Trump was talking about all Muslims. Otherwise it really makes no sense.
I am neat picking you because when it comes to human rights you have to be precise... Hmmm... I should write a post about that.
Well regardless, if it's all Muslims it doesn't change my argument that it's not a matter of "rights" unless we think it's a right to immigrate to another country.
But people (and MSM outlets) commonly make it about religion when the person was talking about a country. So while it could be true that Trump actually said that, I'll wait for a link to it before assuming he said something.
Ya for sure you want to be as clear as possible (not just about "human rights", about anything), but it's possible to use "precision" in a way that isn't useful. If I say John is choking on a hoagie it isn't helpful to quibble about what's a hoagie and what's a sub. The "precision" of whether they officially declared war doesn't seem practical at all, since I'm just making the point that the US has made enemies (and this is true whether it was officially declared as a war or not).