Actually before World War 1 this land belonged to the Ottoman empire so it wasn't either Jewish or Palestinian, both of them lived there without problems, until after the British took over and European Jews started moving there and these guys always demanded an Israeli homeland, I really believe the land should be divided between the two as in reality neither of them can claim the land as theirs as there was no Palestine or Israel before this, even though I do believe many people have owned land there for centuries and it is not right to just kick them out, whether Jew or Palestinian.
I believe many people opposed the Russian take over of Crimea and yet favor Israel taking over what's left of the Palestinian lands.
That's right, the Ottomans controlled the land until they lost to the British, who eventually wanted to give part to the Jews, and part to the Arabs. The Arabs got Transjordan. Jews didn't "kick out" Palestinians. The Palestinians who remained in Israel were given full Israeli citizenship, (there are about 1.5 mil today,) while those who left (under pressure from the Arab nations when they attacked Israel in '48,) are those who we call "refugees." From 700,000 who left in '48, to 7 million now... Simultaneously in '48, about the same number of Jews were forced from their homes in Arab countries, and their property actually was stolen. But no one talks about this today...
Wrong. The original document states that non-Jewish Palestine would remain unchanged and that their rights would not be undermined.
The second part of your comment is true, but it went both ways, and was happening since 1920 when Britain tried to resolve land claims with the British Mandate of Palestine. The State of Israel did not accept this declaration. Israel then only gave full citizenship to those that denounced their Islamic faith, which sparked further tension in the area. This all led to civil war and then to the Arab-Israeli war of 1948.
It was the Arabs who didn't accept the British Mandate or the Israeli independence... Their rights were not undermined, they were given the same citizenship as the Jews... If Israel forced the muslims to abandon Islam, then why are they still muslim?! It is a complete falsehood to suggest Jews made them quit Islam...
The document doesn't state that "non Jewish Palestine would remain unchanged." Rather that in the newly proposed "national home for the Jewish people," there be nothing that "may prejudice the civil and religious rights of the existing non-Jewish communities..."
I disagree with both of you, first of all Palestine was never a country it was always a territory of one power or other, as for Israel having a right to exist I agree, except that Gaza and the West Banks were not part of the original territory of Israel they were occupied after the 1967 war, which is not right by any means. So I still think Israeli settlements in these territories should be considered illegal.
Palestine has always been a country, even when it was under the rule of the Roman Empire. The Ottoman empire turned it into a Arab majority. The State of Israel was created for political purposes under the false pretense of civil rights. It was a power play by the British empire, to place an ally in the middle eastern region.
Palestine was a country that was part of the Ottoman empire. The Balfour declaration in 1917 was to establish a national home for Jewish peoples. The foundation for this declaration is based off the religious ideology that Jews have a religious right to reside in the territory because the Jewish King David once occupied Jerusalem. It's a holy place for the Jewish sect, and that is why the state of Israel was given the land. If the Ottoman empire won world war two this would never have happened, and the territory would've stayed entirely under Arab Palestinian rule.
Israel has since created apartheid in the region between Jews and Arabs, not to mention to segregation of Palestinians during the Palestine war of 1948.
The truth is that Israel is an illegal state because Great Britain never had the right to proclaim a settlement in Palestinian territory, and did so through abuse of power.
This is one of those cases where the victors control the spoils.
Furthermore, Israel has become a military power for the Western Alliance and has played an important role in overthrowing regimes in the middle eastern region ever since its inception.
Jews have lived there for thousand of years, not just because King David "once occupied Jerusalem." (The very word is Hebrew, as is the word P'lishtim, which is where the Palestinians get their name...)
P'lishtim was Palestine, andit has been an Arab majority since the Persian empires took it from the Roman empire. Lets not forget that the Roman Empire politically over threw the Hebrew rule of that region.
There was no Palestine as an independent nation, or people in '46. This is the actual history...
Actually before World War 1 this land belonged to the Ottoman empire so it wasn't either Jewish or Palestinian, both of them lived there without problems, until after the British took over and European Jews started moving there and these guys always demanded an Israeli homeland, I really believe the land should be divided between the two as in reality neither of them can claim the land as theirs as there was no Palestine or Israel before this, even though I do believe many people have owned land there for centuries and it is not right to just kick them out, whether Jew or Palestinian.
I believe many people opposed the Russian take over of Crimea and yet favor Israel taking over what's left of the Palestinian lands.
That's right, the Ottomans controlled the land until they lost to the British, who eventually wanted to give part to the Jews, and part to the Arabs. The Arabs got Transjordan. Jews didn't "kick out" Palestinians. The Palestinians who remained in Israel were given full Israeli citizenship, (there are about 1.5 mil today,) while those who left (under pressure from the Arab nations when they attacked Israel in '48,) are those who we call "refugees." From 700,000 who left in '48, to 7 million now... Simultaneously in '48, about the same number of Jews were forced from their homes in Arab countries, and their property actually was stolen. But no one talks about this today...
Wrong. The original document states that non-Jewish Palestine would remain unchanged and that their rights would not be undermined.
The second part of your comment is true, but it went both ways, and was happening since 1920 when Britain tried to resolve land claims with the British Mandate of Palestine. The State of Israel did not accept this declaration. Israel then only gave full citizenship to those that denounced their Islamic faith, which sparked further tension in the area. This all led to civil war and then to the Arab-Israeli war of 1948.
It was the Arabs who didn't accept the British Mandate or the Israeli independence... Their rights were not undermined, they were given the same citizenship as the Jews... If Israel forced the muslims to abandon Islam, then why are they still muslim?! It is a complete falsehood to suggest Jews made them quit Islam...
The document doesn't state that "non Jewish Palestine would remain unchanged." Rather that in the newly proposed "national home for the Jewish people," there be nothing that "may prejudice the civil and religious rights of the existing non-Jewish communities..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
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I disagree with both of you, first of all Palestine was never a country it was always a territory of one power or other, as for Israel having a right to exist I agree, except that Gaza and the West Banks were not part of the original territory of Israel they were occupied after the 1967 war, which is not right by any means. So I still think Israeli settlements in these territories should be considered illegal.
Palestine has always been a country, even when it was under the rule of the Roman Empire. The Ottoman empire turned it into a Arab majority. The State of Israel was created for political purposes under the false pretense of civil rights. It was a power play by the British empire, to place an ally in the middle eastern region.
Palestine was a country that was part of the Ottoman empire. The Balfour declaration in 1917 was to establish a national home for Jewish peoples. The foundation for this declaration is based off the religious ideology that Jews have a religious right to reside in the territory because the Jewish King David once occupied Jerusalem. It's a holy place for the Jewish sect, and that is why the state of Israel was given the land. If the Ottoman empire won world war two this would never have happened, and the territory would've stayed entirely under Arab Palestinian rule.
Israel has since created apartheid in the region between Jews and Arabs, not to mention to segregation of Palestinians during the Palestine war of 1948.
The truth is that Israel is an illegal state because Great Britain never had the right to proclaim a settlement in Palestinian territory, and did so through abuse of power.
This is one of those cases where the victors control the spoils.
Furthermore, Israel has become a military power for the Western Alliance and has played an important role in overthrowing regimes in the middle eastern region ever since its inception.
Jews have lived there for thousand of years, not just because King David "once occupied Jerusalem." (The very word is Hebrew, as is the word P'lishtim, which is where the Palestinians get their name...)
P'lishtim was Palestine, andit has been an Arab majority since the Persian empires took it from the Roman empire. Lets not forget that the Roman Empire politically over threw the Hebrew rule of that region.