"Trying to help"
What does that even mean?
Thats the most vague requirement you could have made.
Asking help from bidbots to stop shitpost promotion is like asking a tobacco company to stop selling ciggaretes.
Fyrstikken, a bot owner, openly and honestly said in his own words that Bidbots live from shit content. If there was no shit content his business would not do well.
And youre asking their help? The main actors in making steem look like a pay yourself scam.
What are you on about man?
I mean i love what youre doing for steem but you must be aware that bots and bot owners are nothing more then leeches.
They create a bridge between "no care" delegators that want to fill their bags and vote buyers that dont care about proof of brain or any other creator on the platform but themselves.
Bots create that link and sink their teeth in the transactions to feed off of them like a parasite.
And now youre asking them to do what? Curate what they vote? They cant do that and wont. Not vote the most obvious of abuses? They do that already, at least some of them do.
So what is this about?
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Fyrstikken is right, and we all know that, but it doesn't have to be that way. If there was enough demand for legitimate post promotion then bots wouldn't need "shit content" at all and would actually be more profitable as buying votes would cost more.
The details are purposely vague at this point since I don't know how exactly it will all work out, but I think it will be very clear overall who is "trying to help" and who isn't.
That's all that this is about. Maybe it won't work and things will end up just like they are now, I don't know, we're just taking HF21 as an opportunity to try to give it a shot and we're using potential "delisting" from the website as our only real leverage to try to get more bot owners on board.
Well then make a legit requirement. As it stands you just got $30 on a post that says nothing. Im considering flagging it, thats how unhelpful and pointless it sounded to me.
I gave you some legit options on Acids comment, start there.
All this seems is a bit like pandering and pretending you are going to do something that you dont even know what it will be, or will it even be anything just to ride the #newsteem train.
Well you know what? #newsteem means absolutely nothing if people are going to do nothing.
And with Bots having FREE flags i dont think you will delist them because with their millions of SP they could stomp SteemMonsters to the ground if they wanted to, if you rub them the wrong way after HF21.
You can downvote it, in fact I would encourage you to if you disagree with the rewards, that's what downvoting is for.
As for rubbing bots the wrong way, they have no effect on Steem Monsters. The game isn't reliant on the Steem rewards pool in any way so they can flag all they want and it doesn't matter to us.
Yeah well Matt, you know where most of the Steem that buys cards you take 5% from comes from? From the reward pool.
A greyed out Steemmonsters blog and greyed out Steemmonsters posts actually does affect you. Just to show you how profit hungry leeches react.
Actually Fryst came into Dtube chat last year and threatened Heimin when Dtube was implementing some change that he thought would have hurt Bots. So this indeed is possible and you arent immune to retaliation.
Just a point i wanted to make. We will see how it goes.
A greyed out Steemmonsters blog and greyed out Steemmonsters posts actually would not affect us in the slightest. Also the market fees are very small in the scheme of things and we put those all right back into tournament prizes anyway.
We don't use the Steem reward pool for anything meaningful so we really don't care about downvotes or SP. In fact I'm an advocate for getting rid of the Steem reward pool entirely.
You can make some legit requests then, cant you.😉
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The only leverage we have here is delisting on the website. I know you want us to just put our foot down, but then they'll likely just say "screw you" and we'll lose what little leverage we might have had in the first place.
So In my opinion we have a better shot of actually making some changes if we work together and do things gradually.
Also, I'm pretty busy with the game, so really Aggroed is going to be handling most of this and he's typically more heavy-handed than I am.
The market for "legitimate post promotion" is currently tiny and would continue to be tiny even if Steem grew several multiples in size. (Perhaps a few percent of the amount of rewards taken out, if that, would be my rough guess at a ceiling.) "Eventually" it could be quite large, but then the value of Steem would likely be higher and the value of extracting rewards would therefore also be higher. It does not appear clear to me there is a sound model supporting the premise that "legitimate post promotion" via reward voting would ever make sense.
Nevertheless, bots are responding to incentives. If we want behavior to change that means changing incentives. That can be a combination of financial (such as with downvotes) as well as social-layer incentives.