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RE: Downvoting due high pending rewards and a lack of engagement?

in #newsteem6 years ago

I have used up my free downvotes today on some trending posts. $100 for a low effort picture post is bad for Steem. Some are retaliating, but the sheer number of downvotes makes that impractical. There are also accounts who manage to stay under the radar whilst making a lot of junk posts. Our 'favourite' market analyst is still self-voting his multiple posts per day with hardly any responses. Other do loads of comments and self-vote them. These accounts have a lot of SP, so maybe the bigger players should take them on.

Anyway, it is looking good so far. I hope it continues. I would expect to see some tools to automate this good work.

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Bad for Steem? - that's what people have to think when they judge.

Our 'favourite' market analyst is still self-voting his multiple posts per day with hardly any responses.

He's in the list many times, just a bit further down.

I hear anything over 20 STEEM (about $4) is likely to earn a bit more, and everything under a bit less. So much fair/good/excellent content is under that threshold, and so yes, I hope things continue.

The will be a rebalancing of rewards. Getting up rewards with downvotes may gain is smaller players a little extra. Few of my posts make 20 Steem. We need the big a chip targeted their votes where they do good for the recipients, with an eye on quality. We need a trending page that will attract new users, so it should not all be about Steem.

Right. Bringing down the larger payouts should rise everything else, hopefully.

I will not downvote any retaliation known whales that could zero my account.
I love drama, but not on my expense.
:))
But so far the 2 free downvotes is much fun.
I can finally look at trending again, to search for targets:)

There is enough to target without being nuked yourself :)

Move some of your stake off chain to anonymous voting accounts that cannot be traced back to you. If you use your upvoting power to curate you can earn rewards that cannot be touched even by a whale. Then you can use your downvoting power without any fear of retaliation.

If everyone did that, there would be no one to retaliate against. 1000 Dolphins equals 5 million SP. That's enough to nuke almost any whale account.

I think we can find ways to use this new superpower. For now most people should deal with the abusers with less sp and let the whales/orcas hit the big ones.

There are also accounts who manage to stay under the radar whilst making a lot of junk posts. Our 'favourite' market analyst is still self-voting his multiple posts per day with hardly any responses. Other do loads of comments and self-vote them.

I think (and hope) these will be targeted as well after the first low hanging fruit has been dealt with (Trending).

A quick check in the database tells me he's had visitors, just not from the largest accounts (who are at times Witnesses who would like to keep his / ranchorelaxo's vote)

Every abusive whale can be crushed by the collective.

True, if they got organised.

Number of DVs fell sharply after the first full day...

Most people who have overused bid bots are now very wary of doing that. The low hanging fruit have been picked. It's harder to find DV worthy material now. Sometimes it can be difficult to draw the line between abusive farming and acceptable use of one's SP for ROI. There are no generally accepted guidelines. Using all of your upvoting power on yourself is perhaps clear abuse, particularly now that curators get 50%. What percentage of your upvoting power used on your own posts is considered acceptable? What is the difference between a circle jerk and friends and acquaintances appreciating each other's content?

I'm sure efforts will be organised for this. You need coordinated measures to reduce the risk of retaliation, but I expect they will hit back. I think there will always be some who operate by proof of greed to deal with.

BTW I'm voting up posts rather than comments now as it seems a better use of my voting power.

Taking neither of those guys on is not only for the bigger accounts. If a thousand Dolphins gang up on them, they will die by a million stings. That would be the most beautiful thing ever in the history of this chain.

If we can coordinate such actions then it could work, but they are likely to lash out. I hope we can keep the momentum going with this and take on all forms of reward abuse.

This is why you power down some of your stake and move it to one or more anonymous curation accounts impossible to trace back to you. You have to do it off chain, of course. You need to go through an exchange. If everyone does that, they have nobody to lash out against. You don't have to even lose money doing this because you use the positive voting power to earn by curating (you can use SteemAuto to time your votes optimally) and the free 2.5 downvotes to snipe at the whales. They simply cannot revenge flag because you can't single out any curator by downvoting a piece of content. If they downvote everything you curate, they will very quickly run out of voting power even if they have millions of SP.

The method is completely foolproof and I'd love to see thousands of Steemians adopt it. If an entire beehive attacks a bear, they can kill it. No coordination required. Nobody has to be willing to take one for the team or anything like that.

I do have other accounts, but they can be traced back to me. I will consider this option, but there are enough low sp abusers to deal with for now.