I can’t wait for the beta site to move to production. Spammers like to retaliate by going after comments as they can do more damage with less stake.
Under the beta, comments are not hidden unless you are negative rep, so this attack will be pointless. This does open the door to spammers and harassers comments not being hidden as well though.
I am all too familiar with the comment attacking.
As long as negative rep is still hidden then spammers can be dealt with by bringing their rep down below zero, and even harassers too unless they are getting upvotes some other way to maintain their rep, but even in the latter case the downvotes they are getting in response to their harassment is costing them money.
Rep below zero being hidden was the main motivation for the rep system in the first place. It was considered a waste of effort and vote power to have to downvote every single individual spam comment.
I'm all for the change and looking forward to it, but there are a lot of spammers who have built up rep that can cost hundreds of even a thousand dollars or more in downvotes to get them below zero.
Even a (25) account takes a decent amount of downvotes to zero out, with free accounts easy to make it's not harder to suppress the spam than it is to create it. There are also other issues that are not solved, like notifications still get flooded with this spam, ginabot notifications, the fact they still show up in your replies.
When you have been fighting abuse as long as I have, this is what you get to look forward to.
Each one of these is a reply to anyone who comments on my posts or replies to my comments. Some days I can't even use /recent_replies or notifications.
Seems like UI problems. You should be able to mute notifications from annoying spammers, hide them from recent replies, etc.
From the other reply it looks like esteem is taking some steps on this. Other UIs need to as well.
Sounds dreamy.
How does downvotes even change this? You don't get notified of mentions if there is a downvote? Not even sure how that would work.
You take away someone's milk, they have a fit.
I mean the change where downvoted comments are hidden vs not hidden. I don't see how it matters to this.
Every problem (like shitty notifiers) is not a core platform issue.
https://esteem.app/hive-125125/@esteemapp/notifications-how-they-completely-change-your-experience
Marky, would you be in favor of a reduction of the 'free' downvote pool from 30%? I am thinking 10%. Because 30 was arbitrary, another lower number will give us perspective as a blockchain on downvotes. From there we can resume the conversation.
It's 25% now and I think that is a good amount. It wasn't arbitrary, a lot of thought went into how much and we felt 10% wasn't enough. 98% of users don't even use them.
Hey, thank you for all that feedback, I know a lot of discussion went in, I said arbitrary because how could anyone really know what the effects would be.
I would should perhaps be more supportive of delegating my downvotes to scam and plagerism fighting. I think 98% of users don't support most of the downvotes that they see. (that much of the real crime fighting doesn't get seen, I am aware of).
And a lot of steem is going the way of obfuscation anyway, through tribes and smts...
There is only a tiny handful of people actually using downvotes to better the platform.
That's kind of my point. Are we sure these clear benefits are not being offset by negative consequences? (ie the scammers now have downvotes, etc)