Yeah I just feel it's brought up way more than it actually occurs, and some times in posts that were barely even relevant. It's quite a complex situation to fix, I'm not denying that it can be a big problem down the line. I mean imagine if someone like Elon has been buying up stake over the years and decides to fuck over everyone here after powering up just so the system doesn't become a competitor.
Either way, I'd love to discuss possible solutions, do some simulations through them to see weaknesses and how they could potentially be abused as well, etc, just a bit tired of hearing the same complaints over and over without many not even attempting to come up with a solution or discussing them (not you, I know you've proposed some ideas in the past similar to now, but it's just not been something that has clicked for me or felt right yet).
Would it be possible to set up guest accounts on Hive without official registration? One feature of easy access is commenting.
I often feel the need to simply react to certain content on platforms by commenting without having to register straight away. Not everyone wants to have their own account and produce content. The registration requirement is present on all major platforms and it's annoying when you really only want to comment, nothing more.
I think this possibility is underestimated.
Especially if you can comment without registering, it seems to me that in the long run it will bring new users who first get used to the platform without becoming immediate actors themselves. Since almost all forums/sites have a registration requirement nowadays, that would probably be a unique selling point again.
I suppose it would also encourage the easy sharing of content, because if non-hivers can react to content by commenting because, for example, a post was shared on fb, yt or others and they saw it and want to react to it. It could then be shared even more for this reason of easy access.
A second aspect that is probably less considered is that of unbiased commenting, when users who do not receive votes can also speak freely as guest commentators, since they receive neither rewards nor downvotes anyway.
I would find it interesting if only because it enriches publications with guests who don't look at rewards or whether they could make themselves popular or unpopular.
@starkerz and @theycallmedan (@threespeak, @spknetwork) are working on tying ceramic accounts to Hive. The idea is that you can easily start posting and commenting simply by linking your email address or some other identification method to a ceramic/Hive account. The account can receive upvotes and any earnings from your comments would be exclusively associated with you. At some point in the future you can claim those rewards by following through with the full onboarding process.
Also, @anomadsoul and the Leo folks are doing something similar, see their recent DHF proposal where they explain their plan for One-Click Onboarding (and add your support to the proposal, if you think what they're planning to do seems worthwhile).
Thank you very much for this info. One-click onboarding sounds good.
I did this on Steemit and called them Guest accounts. I published posts that described Steemit and contained the posting key. I invited people to use Guest1 as the username and paste the posting key into the password box. It was very simple and worked. This let them comment on posts and get feedback. I think it helped them form a bond to the platform.
Very interesting. Have you already considered this for Hive? How did you monitor whether the guest commenters actually used guest1 etc. as their username and was it safe for you to give out the posting key? That is, the use of usernames that already exist as their own account did not lead to confusion? Not that there aren't some jokers out there.
It has been a while, but it seemd to be fine.
I kept it simple: Guest1 is username, paste this long string into the password box. No one said anything bad, and most were short 1-2 word comments. I didn't run any numbers at the time, or if I did I have forgotten. it was a huge response , but enough that I knew it worked and could be scaled up Guest2, Guest3.
Excuse me if I keep asking, but if you don't have your own hive account, you can still log in using the regular login procedure by entering Guest1 as username and the Posting Key (which you published publicly readable on your blog)? Have I understood that correctly? How does the system recognize it if the existing Posting Key does not correspond to the usual username (which would be mine)? Or how did you make it to work?
I am not very skilled in the technical things.
In any case, thank you for the info and it's very interesting that this had a great response.
No problem.
I created a new account, with a name Guest1, and then publish a post on Hive, which invited potential new users to come in and try the platform for free by using the username Guest1 and the posting key I published in the post.
Thanx.
That idea of a system where downvotes are measured through a similar way we provide witness approvals would go a long way. Instead of HivePower determining the influence of a downvote, the community would have to vote for you to have your downvotes have certain power.
Granted someone could just vote for their alt and give it nuking power, so this measure would need some tweaking, but I like it. Either the community gives you the power to downvote hard, or your downvotes is worth pennies.
I think this idea has merit. I think it may require quite a bit of changes to Hive code. But it is just as valuable to the future as other software changes, so hopefully it gathers support.