Hello Palcoinians!!!....or Palnetians....?
I'm happy to see so many of you lovely people posting on palnet.io and/or using the palnet tag!
I've been manually curating Palnet posts every night and I just wanted to talk a bit about my curation process.
As I scroll through all the posts, here's what I tend to vote:
People:
- Members of the Palnet community:
The Palnet Discord has been around for 2 years. Many people have been there since the very beginning and others have joined along the way. There are members who help with community curation, help out new members with registration, and/or just hang out during our msp-waves radio shows.
Palcoin is for everyone. Anyone and everyone can use the palnet tag or use palnet.io, but it is important to me to reward those who are part of our community.
- Steem Community Leaders/Influencers:
These are people on the Steem Blockchain who are helping others on the chain via their stake, knowledge, guidance, initiatives, communication, expertise, etc.
These individuals put in a lot of time to help others and I want to reward them for their efforts.
(Are you a community leader that helps others on the Steem Blockchain? Let me know in the comments!)
- People who are powering up Palcoin instead of dumping it:
lol a little harsh I know...but hey...I want Palcoin to succeed for everyone. If you are dumping every coin you get that only harms the initiative and everyone who is part of it.
Content:
Posts about Palnet, Steem, or Steem related projects/initiatives.
Posts that show some effort was put into them.
Posts about cats???
So, let me just talk a bit about what I mean regarding "effort" by describing what I feel is "low effort" posting:
Posts with just an image and no text...or just 1 or 2 sentences.
Actifit type posts
Now, I'm not judging....I'm just saying that I'm not going to curate those posts with Palcoin!
Allow me to expand upon my thoughts here:
When I first started on the Steem Blockchain in 2017 it was all about blogging. People wanted to see long posts with cool markdown, pics, text dividers etc.
Over time it seems that there has been a shift away from blogging to dapps.
Here's the way I see it. If we ever want mass adoption, we can't expect the average person to create intricate blogs.
So, I personally don't care about all the bells and whistles of blogging.
I don't really care what your post looks like...I care about the actual content and what is in it!
However, I want to use my Palcoin stake on posts with some effort put into them.
One picture or just a few sentences isn't going to inspire me to vote your post.
As far as not upvoting posts that only show one picture....here's the deal. I know some photographers or artists have been bothered by this, but those of you who spend time curating know how many plagiarists we have found on Steem.
If a curator doesn't know you and they only see a post containing one picture, they will likely skip over your post and not upvote it.
We have no way of knowing whose work it is unless you tell us more about it.
Show us the process of your artwork.
Talk about your photography...how you captured the shot....what lens you used etc.
If you are posting a song....tell us about the song and your process and whatnot.
Exceptions:
There are artists that I know are legit here just because we have been on this blockchain together for years. I don't necessarily need to see a process of their work at this point.
There are people that I know here who consistently make "quality" content and engage with others on the platform.
Let's say they make a quick post to announce something important.
Or let's say they make a funny meme or statement that gets a ton of comments.
The point here is that these are not the type of people that consistently "spam" the blockchain with short, crappy posts lol
So, if they occasionally make a shorter, "quick" post..... that may be worthy of a vote as well.
One of the main reasons for the inception of this here Palcoin project is to curate great posts!
Those of us who started this project have a fairly large stake with our goal being to distribute rewards to quality authors.
We want to see a trending page that actually has great content on it!
Keep on using the palnet tag and I'll see you on palnet.io!!!
Hi @isaria!
First of all huge thanks for your upvotes that earned me some PALs. You are probably the only/main person making me earn some PALs.
Having been involved with Curie since the beginning of my Steem journey, I completely understand your reasoning for the quality of posts. Curie is probably the most strict regarding quality.
I have also been involved with @steemhunt for more than a year as a moderator, hunter, etc. I truly believe this is one of the best projects on Steem, and adds great value to Steem. While I can understand Steemhunt post may seem "low effort" posts. By default, users can only post 1000 characters. Most of the effort goes beyond the post itself but hunting the newest and coolest products.
I personally, mainly post Steemhunt post, as I believe in the project, the team, and any activity contributes to the project. Once Reviewhunt is launched soon, there probably will be posts with more substance to qualify as a traditional blog.
Grateful for your upvotes, just wanted to clarify about Steemhunt. It is more than what it seems at first glance.
P.S. I sold my airdrop PALs to see it is real. I think people selling PALs is healthy in a long run. Builds confidence in the project and the community.
Hi @geekgirl! Thanks so much for sharing this info with me. Now that I think about it, I think I upvoted one of your Steemhunt posts lol. I guess I was confusing it with something else, apologies. I admire your work on the blockchain so I will take your words regarding Steemhunt to heart by not excluding it and editing my post....thank you!
Hi @isaria, why not just pal?:) How are you pal, I am prety good pal,you? lol.
Thank you for the heplful insight about curation. I think it is more or less like that in every community, those who are rewarded are the ones to be trusted and the ones who bring good content and value to the community. In the art tag which i am most active, artists confuse sometimes the value of the artwork they created with the value of the post presenting it.
The presentation of the post is more valuable because it shows that the artist care to share a about her/his inspiration, process and thoughts. It shows level of respect to the community also, just throwing a photo and a title looks a bit rude,lol.
Keep up the good work, you have my support and i am hoping for a greater expansion of the community:) Also if you need people to curate art or photography, i am ready to jump in,lol
Awesome that you go out and curate-hunt like that. The PAL upvotes are often more worth than the Steem upvotes, particularly for smaller Steemians. Crazy stuff that you guys created there.
By the way, cool GIF at the end. May I use that in my posts?
Thank you flauwy! That GIF was created by the amazing @elgeko and yes he has given permission for others to use it! He also created the top Pal logo....I guess I should have just cited the source to give him credit at the bottom of the post.....I'll edit.
Anyway....thanks! lol
Hi Wow! Much good post! many fine things!
Nice post.....follow 4 follow?????
great explanation @isaria ... not sure if you have noticed or not but some of the folks posting Actifit reports are combining the reports with some decent content about what they see during their activities.
Thanks Shadows. I have seen some of those, but most of what I see is the same red Actifit main pic and title of Actifit Report card, with just one sentence written. If some people are adding more content to those posts then I would recommend that they add more to the title and change the main pic because I know I'm not alone in passing over those posts.
I have definitely found myself putting -way- more time into evaluating posts and curating on pal than I ever did on Steem...I also find myself actually reading folk’s posts instead of voting via name, rep and cover image....the inability to bot yourself up changes the entire paradigm.
Absolutely.....me too!
That's good, congrats for the position and the kind work, some people have talents in writing, some people have talents in other things, giving value for the amount of words, is like if a director create a movie and nobody give a value to it because he didnt wrote the story :d, but he rather let people watch his movie and decide their own ideas, just like my idea about music, like what should a musician write about its music? Hello I am X I made this music about Z, but what if we dont limit a music to a topic and let people decide and everyone can feel it in their own way. This is why I dont type much in my music posts :d . I also wanted to know why selling pal is not good? If nobody sell, then how can someone buy? The balance of sell and buy can make a coin alive, and pal had one issue, the sellers were more than buyers, either selling is not bad.
Thank you for this post, wish you and the team success :)
I'm not talking about selling "some" coins. Notice that I said "If you are dumping every coin you get". "Every" is the key here.
We want people to build stake here in order to build the community. Staking your palcoin helps everyone because you are then rewarding palcoin to those who you vote who use the palnet tag. Dumping all your palcoin does not help the community.
"If a curator doesn't know you and they only see a post containing one picture, they will likely skip over your post and not upvote it."
That's just the reality.
Plagiarism exists on this chain. People post photography, art, and music that isn't theirs.
If you are new then it is in your best interest to add some text talking about your process....
Once you are established on the chain and most people know that your work is your own, well that's a different story....as I stated toward the end of my post when I said "There are artists that I know are legit here just because we have been on this blockchain together for years. I don't necessarily need to see a process of their work at this point."
Also, I have been on this blockchain for over 2 years and I still generally write about the music that I post. I talk about what inspired me to write it......what I was going through at the time. Or I may talk about some of the process that went into the recording. Or I will create artwork with the Lyrics. People actually like to read about that stuff....so you may want to do it yourself. 😉
Thanks for the reply, yes you are right about Dumping, and yes I am doing it exactly the way you mentioned. ;)
Nice point of view. Thanks for let to know it. But to be True many photographers are spending much time with postprocessing of their pictures. It's an effort too.
I am a member of photography related curation guild in Russian fork of Steem. I know there are many problems with low quality and plagiarism. But there are many photographs which does not need a text because they are good content themself.
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I totally agree that text is not "necessary" as the photograph is the important part. As an artist myself I understand all the effort it takes in the creation of art. But if the curator doesn't know the artist then adding a process or information about the art via text is helpful. This is because most plagiarists we have found ONLY post a picture.
If people's subjective valuations of their AFIT tokens on steem-engine are anything to go by, they won't need your PAL upvotes - one person seems to think they deserve 1.5 Steem for every step they've recorded.
Based on the fact that I earn around 20 AFIT for 5K steps, note under my alt-account because actifit type posts are also one of my ideal-typical examples of low-quality posts, as a general rule:
One of things I like about PAL (and there's a lot to like) is the fact that there's actually some objective standards being used to judge people's content! Hopefully we can all agree that the idea of earning 750 Steem for walking 500 paces is just utter guff.
Then again if someone decides to pay that, good to luck to them, markets can be irrational places at times.
Talking of markets, in some ways I wish more people were dumping PAL - I had a pretty turgid time yesterday watching my fairly large order getting constantly pipped by smaller bids - I must have cancelled and reset it two dozen times over the course of the day.
All bought up now, all good.
If you can earn 750 Steem for 500 paces I’m about to get super shredded walking around.
If that is the case I think I can finally get into a good shape lol. Maybe I'll even try the one punch man training routine xD
Careful not to wear your feet out, you only have two of them.
Hi @isaria , I want to ask about the Palnet tag, if everyone uses the Palnet tag in each post in the middle or at the end. Are they going to get a number of Palcoins, as you have said by "Jeffy the Cat?
I was Able to Help @silversaver888 Claim Her PAL tokens tonight because she was not quite sure how to go about doing that. I even transferred One PAL token to Her just so She could have One in Her Liquid Balance because She Staked Her entire DROP. I am proud of Her for Staking since I told her it gives her more influence on the platform. @isaria I thank you for Your Kindness Last Week because you gave me my Largest UP Vote on PAL.......Thanks for all you do.
I'm really enjoying using PALnet too, well I do use it via steempeak but it still counts right? it makes it so much easier to curate content with this bit of a filter. I'm really hoping to buy some more and earn may way to the 5000 PAL level I want to be a dolphin so I can really reward people who join the community. I feel its brought so much more excitement back to the curation process and I am commenting a lot more too.
I was saying on steemit we get a bit of scroll fatigue and going through so many trash posts because you have unfiltered access to the chain can be tiresome and overwhelming with communities like Pal it's going to make it a bit easier to navigate your way around and find the content you would be interested in and enjoy.
5k? That's a solid target @chekohler :)
ps. did you really find PALnet to be so useful? I'm still trying to figure out how to manage this site and I found it even more difficult than Steemit. Simply because I cannot even figure out how to:
ps. Do you know who is behind PALnet? Do they even have their own account on Steemit? Just curious
Yours
Piotr
You really should read the whitepaper to learn more about pal and who's behind the project(it's @aggroed). To check the voting power just click on the upvote icon, its already there. I don't think there is a way to check your delegations yet. Hope that helps.
How does the curation reward algorithm work? Is it similar to that of Steem except for the 50/50 split between authors and curators?
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I must see to it, I'm very off the loop these days
Been staking like crazy. When are you gonna hit me up with that million dollar upvote? :p
Jokes aside. I think it is really great that the mod team is actively upvoting good content. It does great for the platform and the users as a whole so that the bad actors don't get rewarded. I think it is important for people like you who have a big enough stake to direct the rewards to those who deserve it.
Keep up the great work @isaria!
Thanks a lot for taking the time to curate posts or users that are worth of it. One of the mistakes we have to avoid is to giving stake to those who don't think long term about what we do as a core. I prolly won't receive any from you (my blog kinda sucks) but that doesn't mean one can recognize someone's hard work. Regards!
good information, for everyone.
Quality is such a touchy subject because it’s a subjective thought. People say they want to see good content but everybody has a different opinion on what good content is. That’s subjective and out right judge mental to vote this type of way. People don’t even realize they are being subjective when they say things like “the content has to be good”. First of all, who are you to say that the content has to be good?? Why do you think you can choose good content? You’re the good content chooser now?? Who made you think like that? Is that a forced opinion that steem has been dragging along?? most of us are NOT journalist so if “content has to be good” needs to meet these standards then most of us should t be getting votes. I like the idea that you vote who you know but then again is that the right way to go about using your upvote? Especially when new people are signing up everyday? Idk ... nobody needs to be subjected to someone’s opinion especially because they just been around long ...none of this makes sense to do. As a producer/artist we learn that creation is part of the process but not the whole process.. the artistry comes after the creation but if I were to critique someone’s beats it would be subjective the same way. Who am I to say the beat is wack?? Nobody is in a position to say that content is good or bad and that shouldn’t be the way you use your upvote. Maybe find a different less subjective way to use it
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Wow, it's almost as if you didn't actually read my post. I never talked about "good" content. I am a musician and I am aware that quality is subjective. That is why I specifically avoided the words: "good, bad, or quality".
Instead, I very specifically chose the word: "effort".
Someone taking a picture from google or pixabay and having that be the ONLY thing in their post is a low effort post....period. If you don't agree, then feel free to use your own stake to upvote content like that.
I also have a section in this post that specifically talks about how I feel that intricate blogs are not necessary and how my belief is that type of expectation would prevent mass adoption...so I have no idea why you are bringing up being a journalist as part of my "standards".
Next, I never said that I would ONLY be upvoting people that I know. And "knowing" them is not the only requirement. However, this is a Community token so yes, I will be rewarding people who are part of the community.....which is my right to do as it is MY stake. Just as it is your right to do whatever you want with your stake.
It is interesting to note that your comment talks about how it is wrong to be judgemental, yet here you are judging me...quite unfairly.
It has been my goal to help new users and creative steemians since I have joined Steem. For almost 2 years I have run 2 creative contests per week and I also do a weekly music curation. I also run 2 contests a week on Steem Monsters for art, music, and fiction. I started the @msp-music account to help musicians and artists. And I also donate to Open Mic every week.
During the bull run I was giving away 80 Steem per week to creative steemians. I changed that to 40 Steem a week during the bear market, and now I'm giving away Palcoin. I am also now manually curating with Pal every night. I could just vote a bunch of people that I know using an auto voter.....but I'm not doing that. So don't come here on my post and talk to me like I'm not helping people.
This wasn’t a personal attack so forgive me if u are in your feelings or whatever. yeah I read your post but the title stuck out to me the most which is someone explaining their curation process. In my history of social media I never seen anybody explain why they like a post on twitter or their “process” but on steem I see posts like this all the time. Your post just happen to be the next one I saw and spoke on but I am generally speaking because there are probably other so called “curators” that may see these comments. For anyone to have to explain their process is only because there is money involved. This is the very reason why steem won’t be a social media site until people realize that curation should be done effortlessly ...and curating that is sometimes the opposite of what you’re looking for. A simple post that moves you can get an upvote I don’t see why it wouldn’t... a pic from “google images” , you would have to investigate to find out which in my history of social media people don’t care about the source of the image in that particular way, they don’t validate a share, post before they like it. People are taking this curation thing too seriously, especially those that have more steem power than the norm. I’m glad you saw some of my points and I thought we could come to some type of agree...not the opposite. I’m not here to kiss ass for upvotes neither should anybody. That’s great that you upvote musicians and all that and speaking about what you do and how you contribute helps me understand what is lacking even more so thank you for that.
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