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RE: Living The American Delusion: Why Unemployment Doesn't Exist

in #philosophy6 years ago

There are many reasons why adults in a relatively developed country cannot have adequate shelters other than them "being dependent" as you theorize. Also, if you think that my comment said people in poor countries don't also have needs we can discuss that, but it really isn't about your theories or explanations or what you interpreted from my comment but about the fact that needs aren't up for debate and do justify acting in what otherwise would be considered wrong or immoral ways, regardless if one knows it's wrong or right at the time.

In poor countries just as in developed countries, people still have the same needs and those needs will be met one way or another.

Of course it is up to us, to the "outside observers", to make such a distinction, and although you tried to contradict me, you gave me the reason to give, also, your opinion.

Only in a state of unconsciousness in which man can't discern between the good and the evil of his actions, is he justified, because he was incapable of doing anything else, but at the moment in which any person believes that he can subjectively decide when his "needs" are more important than those of others, then the whole society begins to collapse.

If someone kidnapped your loved one, told you that you have to rob and steal and sell drugs or you'll never see them again, what jury do you think will convict that person of those things, maybe a jury of the victims themselves or their loved ones will come to unanimous guilty verdict, but even then there's a good chance someone will say that they'd do the same thing and it doesn't make it just to punish what had to be done.

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If I, guiding myself through extortion, agreed to do wrong to others for "my needs," then I would become the same as the extortionist, and continue the cycle of aggression. Putting others also, who have nothing to do, in similar situations.

Is that justified? As a thief stole me years ago, I am "enabled" to rob other people?

Don't think I'm talking about judges and courts, if I were talking about the state, then again we should admit that most people in the world are free, because they have freedom guaranteed by law, or that everyone is democratic, simply because based on the law, only a handful of countries declare themselves non-democratic.

Of course we are all human, and we make mistakes, and we would probably do immoral action because of extortion, I will not even discuss that. But the case you are raising is truly exceptional, and it does not really represent the issue we are dealing with, because it would be misleading to classify an act out of extortion in the same way as an act out of necessity.